UAL J/S or any airline JS karma etiquette
09-01-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lookmom
I’m sure there’s tons of past threads on jumpseating, but I’m gonna bring this up in-case it hasn’t or has happened to others.
So my understanding is UAL JS policy is all non-UAL pilots list at gate and it’s UAL, then first come-first serve priority among UAX pilots, then other offline. I’m UAX and first in line at the gate 1:10 mins prior at ORD, present myself to the counter only to be told by the agent that he isn’t working this gate and to check back when the “official” agent arrives. Behind me is an Air Wisc FO in uniform (me not in uniform but who cares), and at his turn he tells this agent he’s trying to do the same thing as me. We both step aside, part and wait (but you know jumpseaters are always sly-wonder-eying for others). 10 mins later they change gates...not a short walk lol. And guess who bolted & is now in front of me.
I was a bit irked. It wasn’t a dire situation cause I knew I would get on anyways, but had it been a battle of only 1 seat remains, who gets the seat based on first come? Maybe I really wasn’t first anymore? How does this jumseating game/battle work nowadays? (I’ve got lots of 121 time in a past life, took a break during the lost decade, and doing what everyone else is now with the positive industry trend). I would’ve had the professional courtesy to not be selfless because karma will bite me in the butt despite the urge to get home. Sigh...I guess I’ll have lots of great TMAAT answers at a mainline interview if they care. Is professional courtesy old school stuff that’s not understood nowadays??
So my understanding is UAL JS policy is all non-UAL pilots list at gate and it’s UAL, then first come-first serve priority among UAX pilots, then other offline. I’m UAX and first in line at the gate 1:10 mins prior at ORD, present myself to the counter only to be told by the agent that he isn’t working this gate and to check back when the “official” agent arrives. Behind me is an Air Wisc FO in uniform (me not in uniform but who cares), and at his turn he tells this agent he’s trying to do the same thing as me. We both step aside, part and wait (but you know jumpseaters are always sly-wonder-eying for others). 10 mins later they change gates...not a short walk lol. And guess who bolted & is now in front of me.
I was a bit irked. It wasn’t a dire situation cause I knew I would get on anyways, but had it been a battle of only 1 seat remains, who gets the seat based on first come? Maybe I really wasn’t first anymore? How does this jumseating game/battle work nowadays? (I’ve got lots of 121 time in a past life, took a break during the lost decade, and doing what everyone else is now with the positive industry trend). I would’ve had the professional courtesy to not be selfless because karma will bite me in the butt despite the urge to get home. Sigh...I guess I’ll have lots of great TMAAT answers at a mainline interview if they care. Is professional courtesy old school stuff that’s not understood nowadays??
09-01-2018, 12:51 PM
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Follow these simple rules:
*Always make a point to stop in up front even for just a second to actually ASK the flight crew if it’s cool if you catch a ride. Be gracious and thank them for letting you hitch a ride. I don’t care if I’m deadheading I still always make a point to stop in briefly and thank them for the ride. People notice and it’s a small industry. Don’t be a jerk.
*NEVER do what the guy in the OP’s post did. I don’t care if it’s technically okay to do, it isn’t your world and we’re not all just living in it. Be kind, be respectful, be courteous. Especially to other professional pilots. People notice and it’s a small industry. Don’t be a jerk.
*Lastly if you’re working a flight and have a few seconds to spare, go take a quick walk up the jet bridge and see if anyone didn’t make it. Do your best to help fellow crew get on if you can and if not wish them luck. People notice and it’s a small industry. Don’t be a jerk.
See a theme here?
*Always make a point to stop in up front even for just a second to actually ASK the flight crew if it’s cool if you catch a ride. Be gracious and thank them for letting you hitch a ride. I don’t care if I’m deadheading I still always make a point to stop in briefly and thank them for the ride. People notice and it’s a small industry. Don’t be a jerk.
*NEVER do what the guy in the OP’s post did. I don’t care if it’s technically okay to do, it isn’t your world and we’re not all just living in it. Be kind, be respectful, be courteous. Especially to other professional pilots. People notice and it’s a small industry. Don’t be a jerk.
*Lastly if you’re working a flight and have a few seconds to spare, go take a quick walk up the jet bridge and see if anyone didn’t make it. Do your best to help fellow crew get on if you can and if not wish them luck. People notice and it’s a small industry. Don’t be a jerk.
See a theme here?
09-01-2018, 02:42 PM
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Spot on. I would even state what was said earlier.
1. Don’t do a walk around while using your phone. (Unless you are photographing something.) If you need to, be in a place you are not so obvious, and stop walking. It makes you look like you are not really taking it seriously.
2. Don’t walk through the terminal as you are looking at your phone. It is unsafe and makes you look unapproachable.
Bottom like, PAX notice and view these negatively. Perception is reality, rightly or wrongly. Remember who pays you bills.
Rant over.
1. Don’t do a walk around while using your phone. (Unless you are photographing something.) If you need to, be in a place you are not so obvious, and stop walking. It makes you look like you are not really taking it seriously.
2. Don’t walk through the terminal as you are looking at your phone. It is unsafe and makes you look unapproachable.
Bottom like, PAX notice and view these negatively. Perception is reality, rightly or wrongly. Remember who pays you bills.
Rant over.
09-02-2018, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumbletrousers
My question too
Pilots.....overseeing the small details once again...sigh.
Thanks for the insight all. I’ve been out of this stuff for several years and as I return more mature and older, I’m realizing some of the etiquette and professsionalism that comes with this job that seems to be lacking among the regionals. I was once a young regional pilot who had to learn from my captains, but now I’m an old-new regional pilot having to point out some things to my younger captains w/o crossing their lines. I didn’t want to cross any boundaries that day while in-line for that UAL JS, but now I’ll go in a bit more A game.
09-02-2018, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lookmom
I guess the thread subject line didn’t clarify this?!
Pilots.....overseeing the small details once again...sigh.
Thanks for the insight all. I’ve been out of this stuff for several years and as I return more mature and older, I’m realizing some of the etiquette and professsionalism that comes with this job that seems to be lacking among the regionals. I was once a young regional pilot who had to learn from my captains, but now I’m an old-new regional pilot having to point out some things to my younger captains w/o crossing their lines. I didn’t want to cross any boundaries that day while in-line for that UAL JS, but now I’ll go in a bit more A game.
Pilots.....overseeing the small details once again...sigh.
Thanks for the insight all. I’ve been out of this stuff for several years and as I return more mature and older, I’m realizing some of the etiquette and professsionalism that comes with this job that seems to be lacking among the regionals. I was once a young regional pilot who had to learn from my captains, but now I’m an old-new regional pilot having to point out some things to my younger captains w/o crossing their lines. I didn’t want to cross any boundaries that day while in-line for that UAL JS, but now I’ll go in a bit more A game.
09-02-2018, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by lookmom
I guess the thread subject line didn’t clarify this?!
Pilots.....overseeing the small details once again...sigh.
Thanks for the insight all. I’ve been out of this stuff for several years and as I return more mature and older, I’m realizing some of the etiquette and professsionalism that comes with this job that seems to be lacking among the regionals. I was once a young regional pilot who had to learn from my captains, but now I’m an old-new regional pilot having to point out some things to my younger captains w/o crossing their lines. I didn’t want to cross any boundaries that day while in-line for that UAL JS, but now I’ll go in a bit more A game.
Pilots.....overseeing the small details once again...sigh.
Thanks for the insight all. I’ve been out of this stuff for several years and as I return more mature and older, I’m realizing some of the etiquette and professsionalism that comes with this job that seems to be lacking among the regionals. I was once a young regional pilot who had to learn from my captains, but now I’m an old-new regional pilot having to point out some things to my younger captains w/o crossing their lines. I didn’t want to cross any boundaries that day while in-line for that UAL JS, but now I’ll go in a bit more A game.
09-02-2018, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Don’t blame us for your vague choice of title. Some people would say it’s a UAL flight even if it’s a regional flight. Plus you were commuting not in uniform, how do you know the other pilot even knew you were trying? Funny you’re harping on professionalism but apparently couldn’t be bothered to throw on your uniform to get to work.
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