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On Autopilot 04-13-2007 05:22 AM

PSA has lowered thier mins
 
Hello Everyone. Just got finished talking with a recruiter at PSA. It is true, that they have lowered thier mins to Comm. M.E. Inst. Check out the website. Interview, along with sim eval is in Charlotte.

Waitng to see what Comair does.........

Squawk_5543 04-13-2007 05:25 AM

I have a feeling there are gonna be alot of guys just skipping right over the CFI-ing and going straight to interview due to this trend. Our future holds much excitement gentlemen. :D

WIPilot 04-13-2007 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Squawk_5543 (Post 148689)
I have a feeling there are gonna be alot of guys just skipping right over the CFI-ing and going straight to interview due to this trend. Our future holds much excitement gentlemen. :D

Are you saying you would have done any different if you had the chance?

Squawk_5543 04-13-2007 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by WIPilot (Post 148800)
Are you saying you would have done any different if you had the chance?

I'm not saying....I'm doing. I'm not a regional pilot. I'm working on my CFII right now. I have the so-called new mins to apply, but I have patience.

AV8ER 04-13-2007 08:33 AM

Somebody else said this on another thread, and I agree with it so let me try to paraphrase since I can't find it to copy and paste. You might be patient, but a lot of people that would consider instructing won't, b/c they don't want to get stuck behind someone seniority wise who currently has the same time that they have who decides to make the jump without instructing. Instructing for 6 months to build time and knowledge is great, but it could cost you 1 or 2 years of upgrade. Not saying that either is right/wrong, just a viewpoint, and a valid one, that a lot of low timers have.

WhiteH2O 04-13-2007 08:37 AM

If I could have skipped instructing, I would have. If you can pass the training, why not? If you don't someone else will.

Squawk_5543 04-13-2007 08:37 AM

It's not just that. I am also trying to prepare financially for the transition to making NOTHING AN HOUR !! Right now I have a good job which enables me to pay off and put away. Plus I'm locked in my apartment lease for awhile too....can't just up and head off to training....

WhiteH2O 04-13-2007 08:47 AM

I instructed in Western Washington, so, I make more at a regional.

There is nothing bad about instructing for a while, especially instrument instructing. It will really help training go smoother.

AV8ER 04-13-2007 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 148823)
I instructed in Western Washington, so, I make more at a regional.

There is nothing bad about instructing for a while, especially instrument instructing. It will really help training go smoother.

That is definitely true. I instructed part time for 3 months and full time for 6, and learned more doing that then with any training. I wouldn't give it up for anything. But, if I could have been hired at 300 hours 9 months ago, would I have skipped the instructing...I don't know. Probably.

On Autopilot 04-13-2007 09:01 AM

Has anyone tried to apply at PSA with thier new low mins? If so, would you care to share your experience? Such as how long before call back, interview, sim eval, testing, etc.

Tantive400 04-13-2007 09:05 AM

Im up in the air with this decision now. Please dont bash me for graduating at the right time, just want everyones honest opinion. Before all this news of the mins being lowered i was definetely goin to start my CFI, but now im having second thoughts. Any info would be helpfull, everyone i have talked to that was a CFI said they learned a ton and wouldnt trade it for anything. But, as far as the seniority thing, not doing CFI would benefit me tremendously. I just wonder if i will have the knowledge to pass the training at a Regional.

JoeyMeatballs 04-13-2007 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Tantive400 (Post 148832)
Im up in the air with this decision now. Please dont bash me for graduating at the right time, just want everyones honest opinion. Before all this news of the mins being lowered i was definetely goin to start my CFI, but now im having second thoughts. Any info would be helpfull, everyone i have talked to that was a CFI said they learned a ton and wouldnt trade it for anything. But, as far as the seniority thing, not doing CFI would benefit me tremendously. I just wonder if i will have the knowledge to pass the training at a Regional.

Yeah, I kinda feel bad for you guys, I would probably skip the cfi thing if I could, but it was the best flying I have ever done. It taught me a lot and I enjoyed having Dr's and Lawyers kiss my ass cause they new I was the only one getting them down safely on their first few flights haha. It was blast, soloing your first student, pretty great stuff, 121 is a job, its not fun flying, if you "love" to fly and thats all you really want to do, go do some BUSH flying in AK, until then, enjoy flying miserable PAX around for 20k a year, gusting to 35kts x-wind 200 overcast +RA TSVC and you nail it on the markers only to have the pax make rude remarks...................oh yea its so much fun

Squawk_5543 04-13-2007 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Tantive400 (Post 148832)
I just wonder if i will have the knowledge to pass the training at a Regional.


If your asking yourself that question I think it would benefit you to get some more training and knowledge under your belt before applying. You don't want to be unsure of yourself when your interviewing and shooting approaches to mins in your sim evalu.

Squawk_5543 04-13-2007 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 148844)
and you nail it on the markers only to have the pax make rude remarks...................oh yea its so much fun


Yeah that autopilot sure does the job

JoeyMeatballs 04-13-2007 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Squawk_5543 (Post 148848)
Yeah that autopilot sure does the job

haha the A/P on the 145 doesnt do to well in 35kts a wind

STILL GROUNDED 04-13-2007 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by AV8ER (Post 148815)
Somebody else said this on another thread, and I agree with it so let me try to paraphrase since I can't find it to copy and paste. You might be patient, but a lot of people that would consider instructing won't, b/c they don't want to get stuck behind someone seniority wise who currently has the same time that they have who decides to make the jump without instructing. Instructing for 6 months to build time and knowledge is great, but it could cost you 1 or 2 years of upgrade. Not saying that either is right/wrong, just a viewpoint, and a valid one, that a lot of low timers have.


I always get a kick out of this. A Captain who comes directly from the left seat of a Seminole and straight to a jet job, spends his time pulling gear up and learning to order fuel in gallons until his number comes up for upgrade. He looks over at me on the right side and asks some stupid private pilot part 91 general knowledge question that they should know in their freaking sleep and never get tested on by the airline because they assume this cat should know what he is doing. If they knew the CP would probably fire them. The Feds would certainly have a chat with them. And yeah you need to know the part 91 stuff.

It blows but seniority is everything. Knowledge is nothing if you've got the tickets in your hand. A violation or worse is usually in the future. Watch you and your partner’s backs, carefully!

As for the guy with patience, in the end you'll appreciate the experience much more then the seniority. Someday it may even save your life, that and you can answer all those cool questions about airspeed in class C airspace for that "Jet-Jobber" or “MAPD Wonder Pilot” in the left seat that’s about to get a letter of investigation from the FISDO .

AV8ER 04-13-2007 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Squawk_5543 (Post 148848)
Yeah that autopilot sure does the job

Naaa..the 145 autopilot will just kick itself off...

pilot754 04-13-2007 11:09 AM

Psa
 
Hello:

I sent in my resume last night under new mins. Now waiting for the interview invitation.

Currently my logbook stats are:

Certificates & Ratings:

Commercial Pilot: Airplane Single and Multi-Engine Land – Instrument Airplane
Certified Flight Instructor: Airplane Single-Engine Land
Complex, High Performance, High Altitude Endorsements
USAF Aviation Physiology & Altitude Chamber, Beale AFB, CA
FCC Restricted Radio Telephone Operator
U.S. Department of Homeland Security: Trained & Certified
ATP 121 Written Complete: Passed & Valid
First Class Medical: No Limitations
CRM Training
USA Passport

1420TT
127MEL
2 Turbine
820 Dual Given (3.5yr. CFI)
121-ATP Written
4 yr. BA Degree

Take Care,
[email protected]

AV8ER 04-13-2007 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by pilot754 (Post 148921)
Hello:

I sent in my resume last night under new mins. Now waiting for the interview invitation.

Currently my logbook stats are:

Certificates & Ratings:

Commercial Pilot: Airplane Single and Multi-Engine Land – Instrument Airplane
Certified Flight Instructor: Airplane Single-Engine Land
Complex, High Performance, High Altitude Endorsements
USAF Aviation Physiology & Altitude Chamber, Beale AFB, CA
FCC Restricted Radio Telephone Operator
U.S. Department of Homeland Security: Trained & Certified
ATP 121 Written Complete: Passed & Valid
First Class Medical: No Limitations
CRM Training
USA Passport

1420TT
127MEL
2 Turbine
820 Dual Given (3.5yr. CFI)
121-ATP Written
4 yr. BA Degree

Take Care,
[email protected]

I'd hire ya...for whatever its worth.

Squawk_5543 04-13-2007 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by AV8ER (Post 148923)
I'd hire ya...for whatever its worth.

You might wanna read through this thread first. :rolleyes:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=11645

DMEarc 04-13-2007 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Tantive400 (Post 148832)
Im up in the air with this decision now. Please dont bash me for graduating at the right time, just want everyones honest opinion. Before all this news of the mins being lowered i was definetely goin to start my CFI, but now im having second thoughts. Any info would be helpfull, everyone i have talked to that was a CFI said they learned a ton and wouldnt trade it for anything. But, as far as the seniority thing, not doing CFI would benefit me tremendously. I just wonder if i will have the knowledge to pass the training at a Regional.

If you have to ask that, you're not ready.

Also, a CFI gives you a great second option should your airline take a shyt.

Cubdriver 04-13-2007 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Squawk_5543 (Post 148931)
You might wanna read through this thread first. :rolleyes:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=11645

Yeah but read it with the knowledge that it got locked by 727 before it became hurtful and negative (good work there Sir).

de727ups 04-14-2007 08:27 AM

You're welcome.

Looking forward to doing more in the future to make this site a kinder, gentler, place.

desertdog71 04-14-2007 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Tantive400 (Post 148832)
I just wonder if i will have the knowledge to pass the training at a Regional.

I ask myself this question from time to time as well. However I also see that people are doing it everyday and some of them aren't exactly rocket scientists. ;)

Tantive400 04-14-2007 08:47 AM

ya, in either case i know ill have to study hard. People should always ask that question because it makes them think about how well they will/are doing their job.

Chillyhead 04-14-2007 08:51 AM

Wow, I'm showing my age here but back when I was instructing in the 80's Comair was the only regional (launch customer actually) for the 50 passenger regional jet. Their hiring minimums were more in line with what the majors are looking for now, and if you got the job you had to pay $11,000 for your training. Guys were doing it though, looking at getting 121 jet experience and jumping to a major. Like a lot have mentioned on this thread, I would have loved to bypass getting the CFI and get on at a regional instead, but I'm glad I instructed. I learned a ton, and made some great friends doing it. Good luck you guys!

JetJock16 04-14-2007 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Chillyhead (Post 149389)
Wow, I'm showing my age here but back when I was instructing in the 80's Comair was the only regional (launch customer actually) for the 50 passenger regional jet. Their hiring minimums were more in line with what the majors are looking for now, and if you got the job you had to pay $11,000 for your training. Guys were doing it though, looking at getting 121 jet experience and jumping to a major. Like a lot have mentioned on this thread, I would have loved to bypass getting the CFI and get on at a regional instead, but I'm glad I instructed. I learned a ton, and made some great friends doing it. Good luck you guys!

The first CRJ was delivered in 92 with design studies originally beginning in 87, the first ERJ was delivered in 96. Comair was the domestic launch customer with Lufthansa being the worldwide launch customer. I'm sure they had their orders in long before 92.

Super-8, who for? Classic bird, it was one of my fathers favorites.

JetJock16 04-14-2007 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Squawk_5543 (Post 148931)
You might wanna read through this thread first. :rolleyes:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=11645

With all do respect; OK he’s had trouble and that's his problem not ours. We should support and help educate him so that he can improve on whatever deficiencies are holding him back from his first airline job. He's not attacking anyone, especially not you, so why constantly attack him? Pilot754 has tried several times to get direction and assistance from us and we (ya'll not me) bashed him for it. After all that’s one of the reasons this forum was originally started, guidance right? I applaud de727ups for putting the kibosh on that thread.

Squawk, I'm sure he at least knows what reserve is and why we line pilot depend up it. LOL :D See everyone is look for knowledge.

My point is that we shouldn't grind on him about his past everytime he posts. Let’s grow up!


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