Deltas new A220-100 will kill off Endeavor?
What you guys think? A220 coming for delta. Is this the beginning of killing off the regionals? Hmmmm
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Originally Posted by MrFriendly7
(Post 2686247)
What you guys think? A220 coming for delta. Is this the beginning of killing off the regionals? Hmmmm
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Why do you say 9e will grow and yx will loose Delta?
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No.
Filler. |
Originally Posted by wiggy15
(Post 2686250)
Uh no. Overall downsizing maybe, but not death. Especially for 9E. 9E will grow. Maybe Republic will lose Delta tho.
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Ultimately the A220 and E-2 series are going to be bought because the can service a small niche more efficiently than anything else can serve that niche. Unless there is another big recession that forces mainline pilots unions to yield up scope, these aircraft, at least those over 76 pax, will be flown at mainline. To the extent that these aircraft can increase the flying done by the public, we all benefit, because they'll become the entry level mainline equipment that will be filled - at least at the FO level - by new hires. There will still be communities where smaller jets - even 50 seaters - can still be economically competitive but increasing salaries and bonuses (and training costs) will decrease the current advantage regional's have in crew costs.
Basically, it isn't the A220 or E-2s, it will be the economics that determine the fate of the regional's. |
Originally Posted by MrFriendly7
(Post 2686255)
Why do you say 9e will grow and yx will loose Delta?
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Originally Posted by MrFriendly7
(Post 2686255)
Why do you say 9e will grow and yx will loose Delta?
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According to DAL, the Bombardier C was to be replacing larger than 50 seat RJs, so those Larger RJs could be replacing 50 seat RJs, thus upgauging the fleet.
It does, however, have a VERY long range, so it could do many flights that were impossible on any RJ (or MD-88/MD-90/B-717), and even some small Airbuses and the Boeing 737, I believe. An example that Bombardier used, was a typical load nonstop from London City airport to Montreal using the smaller CS-100 |
Originally Posted by fortyeight
(Post 2686263)
Yea and maybe mainline will staple us all to the bottom of their list. Pilots are worse than school girls with the rumors and speculation. Nobody at our level has any clue what’s going to happen.
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Originally Posted by max gross
(Post 2686479)
Because 9e guys are starting to feel special. They’ve apparently forgotten about Comair and ASA.
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Originally Posted by Baradium
(Post 2687518)
This is an entirely different industry than when what happened to Comair and ASA happened. EDV became a wholly owned during the first time that it actually became good to be one. The other wholly owned carriers were facing similar hardships before the change but were fortunate to hang around long enough for it to happen.
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Originally Posted by Truthanator
(Post 2687566)
According to whom? You? Lmao!! Pilots are so stupid.
I think history has taught us that no one is safe from bankruptcy or shutdown. But the large amount of investment placed into the WOs in recent years versus non-WOs is a factor to consider. As is flow... |
Originally Posted by MrFriendly7
(Post 2686247)
What you guys think? A220 coming for delta. Is this the beginning of killing off the regionals? Hmmmm
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2687599)
I doubt the A220 kills off any RJ's. Airplanes are most economical used to their maximum potential. It won't be long before the A220 is utilized on long thin routes that RJ's can't make. If anything, the A220 is a bigger threat to the LCC's.
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2687690)
The LCCs fly trunk routes, not long and thin routes.
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Originally Posted by jetlag q
(Post 2687802)
What’s a trunk route
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Originally Posted by Baradium
(Post 2687518)
This is an entirely different industry than when what happened to Comair and ASA happened. EDV became a wholly owned during the first time that it actually became good to be one. The other wholly owned carriers were facing similar hardships before the change but were fortunate to hang around long enough for it to happen.
Wasnt even a year of separation. Hopium. |
Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2687690)
The LCCs fly trunk routes, not long and thin routes.
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How will the current and future MD88/90 retirements play into this A220 equation?
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Originally Posted by jpso
(Post 2687867)
How will the current and future MD88/90 retirements play into this A220 equation?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2688404)
They don’t, Delta is replacing the MD’s with 737-900’s and A321’s. They have enough on order to replace the MD’s and grow significantly.
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Originally Posted by Avroman
(Post 2690274)
They are also replacing some of the 757-200's with them (and saving a few bucks an hour pay rates at the same time.)
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2687837)
That's not completely the case, they fly all different routes.
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looks like the routes announced are mostly current -900 routes flown by Endeavor and SkyWest as well as mainline with 717s and a319s
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Lga-bos
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 2690778)
looks like the routes announced are mostly current -900 routes flown by Endeavor and SkyWest as well as mainline with 717s and a319s
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
(Post 2691303)
Most of the NYC routes are YX routes, for what its worth.
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