Originally Posted by FlyGuy1988

NOW, this was two weeks ago. I've applied to two regionals at this point and both denied my application. I have a ATP checkride failure and left my previous airline after three months of employment. To be frankly honest, I feel screwed and it seems like I have no viable options except for Mesa or GoJet... Anyone have any suggestions for how to push forward? Sadly, talking to the union, they said I'm not the only one who this has happened to with my particular airline. Also if you're curious what the aircraft was, it was a Q400... I'll let you figure out the airline.

Again, if anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears for suggestions and knowing my options.

Originally Posted by dera

Sounds like they didn't like you much at Horizon.
Mesa is a second chance airline, apply there.

"Now, the reason for this was because my captain/instructor told me to NOT put in a transition on the STAR due to the SID having many of the same waypoints."

I'm not sure what on earth is going on here? That to me sounds like a fundamental lack of understanding how SIDs and STARs and the FMS works. Maybe it was a legit fault after all?

Originally Posted by captjns

First I hope your wife has fully recovered from her illness. I know Its too late to suggest a postponement in training until your situation was on the uptick... so I won’t. Airlines, like many corporations, have an Employee Assitance Program. In some cases, not all but, supervisors and yes, even, HR, can provide assistance too.

FlyGuy1988, you never imparted your experience prior to joining [Horizon]. Did you have prior experience in complex aircraft high performance aircraft equipped with FMS’s... such as Garmin, Honeywell, or Collins? Is this your first multi crew position? You mentioned a failed ATP... was that before joining [Horizon], or was the failed check ride to be an original ATP and Type Rating?

Some, brand new to the industry, may have an unrealistic expectation that their airline will “get them through the program” because of the dire need of crewmembers. Some provide additional training for various reasons.... such as a genuine desire to see the new hire succeed. A lot of time and money invested in their new asset. And of course to avoid litigation.

All the best to you and your wife for getting your career back on track.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke

First, my sympathies for your wife, and best wishes.

Had you introduced the issue with your wife before the problems began, I suspect you'd have had a different outcome, at least insofar as some leniency on account of your hardship. That it was introduced only after problems occurred makes it seem to those listening more of an excuse. I realize it's not, but timing counts.

As for the remainder of your time, it's clear that multiple check airmen and the training review board(s) have a different perception of your progress than you do. It may be a good time to step back, address the personal challenges you're facing at home, and then retry when you are under less pressure. I think you'll have a very different outcome.

I think that with a simple explanation that you were under pressure because of family matters, tried to soldier through, but found it untenable, you'll be fine.

If you try to give a long explanation that comes across as an excuse (as you've just done), you're dead in the water.

Do you understand the difference?

Originally Posted by dera

I thought about that, but getting them mixed up would also be a huge lack of situational awareness. Especially during the arrival/approach brief where you would catch these things.

Originally Posted by 60av8tor

But then that’s exactly what you did. Your post comes across as “not my fault” to be blunt. As others have said, some time and introspection will serve you well.

Originally Posted by FlyGuy1988

If it comes across as "not my fault", that's not my intentions. I really was trying to explain the situation. There's more to what happened, but my original write-up of this was 11 pages long. If you're "bored" by the posting, you are fully capable of reading another thread. This was intended to explain my circumstances in as much detail as I can, because I've seen threads where commentators will ask for more detailed information.

Again, I admit my own faults in this scenario.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke

How is your wife doing now?

Originally Posted by FlyGuy1988

Hindsight is 20/20, I admit fault in not catching the mistake. I was gullible and thought the captain had my best interests. I briefed the SID/STAR twice and both times, he told me to do what I did. I remember thinking something was wrong when I did it, but I trusted the captain more than my own judgement. At the end of the day, it comes back to me, but that was my thought process with how that aspect played out. He also had me change approaches at the last minute too, which went against our FSM in what approaches we were to do. I was told at the end of the checkride, I chose correctly, him making we switch everything at the last minute, didn't help the situation...