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Old 02-12-2019, 10:47 PM   #31  
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Looks like I was wrong, and didn’t remember correctly. That’s been like 7 years ago. I do remember a big discussion on tail stalls after we went over the report. Whoops, forgot guys on APC have never been wrong before.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:50 PM   #32  
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Most passengers still have no clue that most of their domestic flying isn’t done on AA, DL or UA.

By the way, this is something else this law changed. Airlines are now required to say who the flight is operated by when purchasing the airfare.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:46 PM   #33  
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I still don’t understand where “1500” hours came from. Both pilots had well over that amount in TT.
It’s not called the 1500 hr rule, the actual rule was a manadate that regional SICs have an ATP to occupy the seat. An ATP required 1500TT and thus the rule was referred to as the “1500 hour rule”.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:51 PM   #34  
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It’s been 10 years since that flight, February 12, 2009. I’m an aspiring Commercial Pilot with low hours; working on IFR and Commercial now hoping to make a career change from L.E. and fly in Alaska someday. I have absolutly no gripe with the 1500 hour rule and think it is a good. I can’t imagine the confidence, experience, and lessons a pilot will learn from 250 to 1500. Exponential in my opinion. Like another poster said, it may have been one of the best things for avialtion (wages, QOL, etc.), unfortunatly, as a result of circumstances and lives lost. I’m looking forward to gaining the knowledge, skills, abilities, and Earning It!

God Bless All lost on the flight.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:09 AM   #35  
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It’s not called the 1500 hr rule, the actual rule was a manadate that regional SICs have an ATP to occupy the seat. An ATP required 1500TT and thus the rule was referred to as the “1500 hour rule”.
Regardless, somebody came up with 1500 to get an ATP. The point being is that they blamed the crash on inexperienced pilots. This wasn’t the case if were classifying experience as logbook TT. Under the new legislation, both of these pilots were qualified based on hours. If they were trying to justify lack of experience as the problem, maybe the ATP mins should have been raised to 5000..
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By the way, this is something else this law changed. Airlines are now required to say who the flight is operated by when purchasing the airfare.
This is how it was in the past as well. Or at least on the purchased ticket it always said “operated by....”

Either way, the FA announces who the carrier is and passengers still don’t get it.
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This is how it was in the past as well. Or at least on the purchased ticket it always said “operated by....”

Either way, the FA announces who the carrier is and passengers still don’t get it.
Hmmm, probably fortunate for many pilots. Otherwise, passengers would choose to only fly main line and skip the regional carriers. No?
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Hmmm, probably fortunate for many pilots. Otherwise, passengers would choose to only fly main line and skip the regional carriers. No?
You’re not going to get the reaction you think you will on this one. Most regional pilots would love to see the regional model disappear. Would some pilots get left behind? Sure, but most of us are ok with that risk.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:35 AM   #39  
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I think it is safe to say, even though this sounds pretty brutal, but Colgan 3407 was the best thing that ever happened to the regional airline industry.
It may of saved many more lives then it cost. Kind of like the bad rap nuclear weapons get. If they were never invented, at least a million plus would have perished in the land invasion of Japan and who knows how many since then in huge conventional wars between the U.S. and USSR.



The safer Regional industry is a small solace the families of the passengers in the crash can take. Their lobbying efforts did a lot of good.
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Hmmm, probably fortunate for many pilots. Otherwise, passengers would choose to only fly main line and skip the regional carriers. No?
One could only hope
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