“1500 hour rule”
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“1500 hour rule”
Now that we’re a little more than 5 years in since the “1500 hour rule” was enacted, I’m curious what other pilots opinions are on this regulation.
To Recap: This was enacted as a result of the Colgan Air 3407 crash. The one that revealed some of the truth of the regional airline industry to the public.
Was lack of experience, defined as logged flight-time, really the cause for this tragedy?
Soon after this new regulation took effect back in my CFI days, I was sitting down having lunch with an FAA ASI. I had to ask his opinion of it, expecting a canned answer. He nearly spit out his food, telling me this was the most useless legislation that won’t solve anything and essentially put into law to appease the families of the lost ones on the Colgan flight. I wasn’t expecting that response.
So what do you think... Did this really fix the problems of the regional industry?
Are the skies really that much safer now?
Do regionals still continue to get away with poor pilot treatment, regardless of union representation?
To Recap: This was enacted as a result of the Colgan Air 3407 crash. The one that revealed some of the truth of the regional airline industry to the public.
Was lack of experience, defined as logged flight-time, really the cause for this tragedy?
Soon after this new regulation took effect back in my CFI days, I was sitting down having lunch with an FAA ASI. I had to ask his opinion of it, expecting a canned answer. He nearly spit out his food, telling me this was the most useless legislation that won’t solve anything and essentially put into law to appease the families of the lost ones on the Colgan flight. I wasn’t expecting that response.
So what do you think... Did this really fix the problems of the regional industry?
Are the skies really that much safer now?
Do regionals still continue to get away with poor pilot treatment, regardless of union representation?
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Now that we’re a little more than 5 years in since the “1500 hour rule” was enacted, I’m curious what other pilots opinions are on this regulation.
To Recap: This was enacted as a result of the Colgan Air 3407 crash. The one that revealed some of the truth of the regional airline industry to the public.
Was lack of experience, defined as logged flight-time, really the cause for this tragedy?
Soon after this new regulation took effect back in my CFI days, I was sitting down having lunch with an FAA ASI. I had to ask his opinion of it, expecting a canned answer. He nearly spit out his food, telling me this was the most useless legislation that won’t solve anything and essentially put into law to appease the families of the lost ones on the Colgan flight. I wasn’t expecting that response.
So what do you think... Did this really fix the problems of the regional industry?
Are the skies really that much safer now?
Do regionals still continue to get away with poor pilot treatment, regardless of union representation?
To Recap: This was enacted as a result of the Colgan Air 3407 crash. The one that revealed some of the truth of the regional airline industry to the public.
Was lack of experience, defined as logged flight-time, really the cause for this tragedy?
Soon after this new regulation took effect back in my CFI days, I was sitting down having lunch with an FAA ASI. I had to ask his opinion of it, expecting a canned answer. He nearly spit out his food, telling me this was the most useless legislation that won’t solve anything and essentially put into law to appease the families of the lost ones on the Colgan flight. I wasn’t expecting that response.
So what do you think... Did this really fix the problems of the regional industry?
Are the skies really that much safer now?
Do regionals still continue to get away with poor pilot treatment, regardless of union representation?
Am I for getting rid of the 1500 rule? Absolutely not. I don't know if it does much for safety, but the extra experience can't hurt. But it has done wonders for pay in the Regional industry.
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The best thing about it was the increase in starting pay in the regionals and 117 rules. And PRIA, so you can't lie on your application as easily any more.
The pilots, both would get hired today(and CA would've already upgraded), and they probably had more relevant experience before their date of hire than a lot of CFI new hires today.
The pilots, both would get hired today(and CA would've already upgraded), and they probably had more relevant experience before their date of hire than a lot of CFI new hires today.
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I did a case report on that specific accident in college. It was crazy to look back and see the comments on threads chastising the FO for retracting the flaps when they had the tail stall. Today, that’s the proper recovery taught for that situation.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
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I did a case report on that specific accident in college. It was crazy to look back and see the comments on threads chastising the FO for retracting the flaps when they had the tail stall. Today, that’s the proper recovery taught for that situation.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
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da fuq? Sounds like a great report.
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Dera, PRIA was around well before this.
1500 has been neutered by big money lobbyists. So the inspector was right.
Today the inexperience in the right seat is glaring. Most want to learn. Some really worry me.
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