“1500 hour rule”
#13
I did a case report on that specific accident in college. It was crazy to look back and see the comments on threads chastising the FO for retracting the flaps when they had the tail stall. Today, that’s the proper recovery taught for that situation.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
What were you guys smoking during this report case study deal? It was the wrong thing to do, they were in a full blown stall with the wings rocking back and forth.. spin from trying to aileron roll out instead of pushing the yoke forward... go watch the NTSB animation and you’d think differently about the actions of the crash being the right thing to do. RIP to all the souls.
#14
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What grade did you get? They didn’t have a tailplane stall.
Dera, PRIA was around well before this.
1500 has been neutered by big money lobbyists. So the inspector was right.
Today the inexperience in the right seat is glaring. Most want to learn. Some really worry me.
Dera, PRIA was around well before this.
1500 has been neutered by big money lobbyists. So the inspector was right.
Today the inexperience in the right seat is glaring. Most want to learn. Some really worry me.
The Captain of Colgan 3407 "forgot" to mention a few failed checkrides and checking events, something that you couldn't really do today (unless you go to Mesa).
#15
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What were you guys smoking during this report case study deal? It was the wrong thing to do, they were in a full blown stall with the wings rocking back and forth.. spin from trying to aileron roll out instead of pushing the yoke forward... go watch the NTSB animation and you’d think differently about the actions of the crash being the right thing to do. RIP to all the souls.
What were you guys smoking during this report case study deal? It was the wrong thing to do, they were in a full blown stall with the wings rocking back and forth.. spin from trying to aileron roll out instead of pushing the yoke forward... go watch the NTSB animation and you’d think differently about the actions of the crash being the right thing to do. RIP to all the souls.
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I did a case report on that specific accident in college. It was crazy to look back and see the comments on threads chastising the FO for retracting the flaps when they had the tail stall. Today, that’s the proper recovery taught for that situation.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
Regulatory wise I think the 117 rules are the best thing that came from it. “1500” hours though? My 1500 hours is different from yours. You could’ve been ready for the airlines at 500, whereas someone else won’t be ready until 2500. You can’t put a number on experiences in my opinion.
I agree with you on the fact you can’t put a number on experience level. How you got to that number obviously separates us. Also the quality of the experience is as well. Would you say someone with 1500 clean hours (no emergencies or ride failures) has more experience than the guy with 250 TT who has dealt with multiple emergencies and a checkride failure (learned from their own mistake)?
I still don’t understand where “1500” hours came from. Both pilots had well over that amount in TT.
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They were very close to a stall when the event started. The shaker went off before the captain pulled up.
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#19
As measured in fatalities per X number of RPM's in the US, yes. Is all or most of that due to the 1500 rule? Hard to know.
But there's a difference between treating your employees like crap and safety. The two can be related, but fundamentally nobody, FAA, NTSB, or Congress cares if your job sucks. You can always quit, and there will almost always be someone willing to fill your shoes (and for less money).
#20
IIRC it was in the original law when signed, but was added in during the legislative and rulemaking process. Which is how it's supposed to work.
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