“1500 hour rule”
03-02-2019, 09:42 PM
#91
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Originally Posted by rswitz
We appreciate the 1500 hour rule for what it did to our pay and rest regs, but not much else.
But then again, it made the industry starting pay based almost entirely on hiring standards. I'm not sure that's a healthy way of doing things long-term.
The general public thinks our industry is safer because the FO flew a 172 around the pattern 7,000 more times.
My opinion is that a 500 pilot can learn to fly an RJ just as well as a 1500 hour pilot.
But then again, it made the industry starting pay based almost entirely on hiring standards. I'm not sure that's a healthy way of doing things long-term.
The general public thinks our industry is safer because the FO flew a 172 around the pattern 7,000 more times.
My opinion is that a 500 pilot can learn to fly an RJ just as well as a 1500 hour pilot.
03-02-2019, 10:03 PM
#92
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
On the one occasion I am aware of where the Navy allowed a third attempt bowing to political pressure the pilot killed herself on a carrier approach shortly after joining her fleet squadron.
The video is online if you're interested.
03-03-2019, 12:00 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Exactly.
Shut up and get your time to get hired and be damn happy you have the opportunity. When I graduated from college, the regionals required 2500 TT and 500 multi to get an interview to fly a Saab turboprop, and paid about $22,000 a year. They had FO's that qualified for food stamps.
I had to flight instruct for 2 years making nothing and then to Alaska to risk my life as a bush pilot for 15 months, then go back to instructing and flying charters and corporate before finally getting 2500 hours to get an FE job with a low rate cargo airline. Trust me, no older guys want to hear your sob stories.
This is like a millennial complaining to someone who grew up in the Depression about how hard they have it.
Shut up and get your time to get hired and be damn happy you have the opportunity. When I graduated from college, the regionals required 2500 TT and 500 multi to get an interview to fly a Saab turboprop, and paid about $22,000 a year. They had FO's that qualified for food stamps.
I had to flight instruct for 2 years making nothing and then to Alaska to risk my life as a bush pilot for 15 months, then go back to instructing and flying charters and corporate before finally getting 2500 hours to get an FE job with a low rate cargo airline. Trust me, no older guys want to hear your sob stories.
This is like a millennial complaining to someone who grew up in the Depression about how hard they have it.
I’ve been paving my own road brick by brick since ‘92 when I got my Private certificate.
03-03-2019, 04:24 AM
#94
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Kara Hultgreen. I remember this well. The Navy still tries to deny that she was given special treatment. They said the accident was caused by a compressor stall of the port engine (which she caused by applying excessive rudder). Luckily her RIO punched out a millisecond before the aircraft went past 90° bank.
The video is online if you're interested.
The video is online if you're interested.
I knew several RAG instructors whose careers were terminated because they refused to sign off women who were not up to the task. 100% success was expected of the women, but the historical pass rate was much lower... something had to give.
03-03-2019, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
That's like saying that a rookie QB can be just as good as Tom Brady with enough practice. Lol
03-03-2019, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Kara Hultgreen. I remember this well. The Navy still tries to deny that she was given special treatment. They said the accident was caused by a compressor stall of the port engine (which she caused by applying excessive rudder). Luckily her RIO punched out a millisecond before the aircraft went past 90° bank.
The video is online if you're interested.
The video is online if you're interested.
03-03-2019, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
She wasn't the only one, and not the fault of the young ladies in question. They were along for the political ride. They probably would have been fine naval aviators on other platforms, but the tomcat was hard to land on the boat and hard to fight. And dangerous obviously.
I knew several RAG instructors whose careers were terminated because they refused to sign off women who were not up to the task. 100% success was expected of the women, but the historical pass rate was much lower... something had to give.
I knew several RAG instructors whose careers were terminated because they refused to sign off women who were not up to the task. 100% success was expected of the women, but the historical pass rate was much lower... something had to give.
I’d like to, but I can’t lie that well.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...ter-two-weeks/
And I’d agree, it’s NOT the fault of the young ladies. I’ve lost enough friends in tactical aviation to know you are doing them no favors lowering standards to create a poster girl to bolster your own career by showing you are PC.
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03-03-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
The sick thing is in the Udver-Hazy museum in IAD there's a shrine to women pilots that is mostly KH's Navy stuff. Unbelievable.
03-03-2019, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Dude, we were all chasing the dream of flying for a major, same as it is today. So what was I supposed to do? Tell all the guys I graduated with to quit flying so a select few of us could get good jobs? We didn't make the rules, we were just playing by them. It's just how it was. You graduated, you flight instructed, flew sightseeing, charters, skydivers, bush pilot, whatever you had to do to get at least 2500 hours to be considered for a shi**y regional job, make CA after several years and hopefully get hired by a major a couple years later. We all knew it was a long, hard road to the majors, but worth it in the end.
The only thing that's changed now is, it's not "a long, hard road". It's a couple of years of instructing.
The only thing that's changed now is, it's not "a long, hard road". It's a couple of years of instructing.
03-03-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
my point was there shouldn’t be jobs paying that low.
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