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DarkSideMoon 04-07-2019 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by FlyF35 (Post 2798399)
I guess you are talking about this one?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...unway-in-maine

Yeah. The news spun it well early as a runway excursion, but they never touched pavement.

Blackhawk 04-08-2019 02:50 AM

The questions you ask are pretty subjective.
Better questions-
1. Is the training in house or third party?
2. If internal what’s the instructor average seniority?
3. Do they use AQP? If so, how long have they done so?

FlyF35 04-08-2019 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2798561)
The questions you ask are pretty subjective.
Better questions-
1. Is the training in house or third party?
2. If internal what’s the instructor average seniority?
3. Do they use AQP? If so, how long have they done so?

Thanks. Above are better questions.

I also like to hear safety culture for the regional. My understanding regional is subject to same FAA rules and regulations regarding safety.

ZeroTT 04-08-2019 05:41 AM

Safety culture is a much better metric.

I would say that zero fatal accidents over a decade is proof of safety. It’s unclear to me how that could be improved from a passenger standpoint

flynd94 04-08-2019 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2798623)
Safety culture is a much better metric.

I would say that zero fatal accidents over a decade is proof of safety. It’s unclear to me how that could be improved from a passenger standpoint

So you’re an outcome based pilot? As long as we get from point A to B without bending metal/killing someone it was safe....😳

There is a lot to safety more then accident rates.

terks43 04-08-2019 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by FlyF35 (Post 2798582)
Thanks. Above are better questions.

I also like to hear safety culture for the regional. My understanding regional is subject to same FAA rules and regulations regarding safety.

We operate under the same regulations as majors. Every. Single. One. We do the exact same job as them, just as well as them, only we get paid less then half as much.

knewyork 04-08-2019 07:27 AM

Why these regionals in particular? You left our more than half of the regional population.

It’s sort of immeasurable anyway.

ninerdriver 04-08-2019 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by knewyork (Post 2798719)
Why these regionals in particular? You left our more than half of the regional population.

Methinks someone is flying on United to/from/through EWR or IAD sometime soon.

MasterOfAnxiety 04-08-2019 09:17 AM

As a fellow nervous traveler, I try to find information on this topic too. I'm usually laughed at by pilots or at least reassured that flying is extremely safe. And like, yeah, I know that there's only been one fatality in commercial aviation in the US in the last 10 years. Nor have the E145 or E175 seen any fatal accidents. But as others have said, safety is more nuanced than the total number of fatalities. My main concern is poor maintenance, as mechanics seem to be criminally underpaid ($16 per hour?!) at most regionals, especially considering the complexity and importance of the job.



Consider the following Indeed.com review from a former Envoy mechanic:



Poor management, poor culture and I would not fly the planes that go out of these hangers as they do not have safe practices for engine work. They put customers and workers at risk. If you will notice, this ad for this location runs every 6 months, which is the most end of the probation period.... not a coincidence.

Or perhaps this quote from a former Republic mechanic:



some of the mechanics that work on their planes should have their licenses revoked from the FAA. Wrong engine valves changed, Static wicks adhered to the a/c with double sided tape. Wrong slat temp sensor harnesses replaced.

And of course, Envoy and Republic are *good* companies. I hate to imagine the standards at some of the more questionable regionals.



Honest question - what should passengers make of comments like this? Disgruntled employee? Problem with safety culture at Envoy? Bad management at this particular hangar? What happens when maintenance is lacking because management wants to save a few bucks? Does the FAA actually have the capacity to crack down on all this stuff, or do they only have time to go after the worst offenders?

FlyF35 04-08-2019 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by knewyork (Post 2798719)
Why these regionals in particular? You left our more than half of the regional population.

It’s sort of immeasurable anyway.

I picked these 3 regionals as they are often seen code shares out of hubs in NYC. Thanka.


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