Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2833120)

Meh. If you fly for OO in Dallas you will have benefits with AA, UA, and DL, not that flight benefits should even be in the conversation when choosing who to work for. Not to mention better pay/benefits. Flow is the carrot keeping the pay abysmally low at Envoy. Don't fall for it.

Originally Posted by LowerLoon185 (Post 2831493)

I've been lurking (and reading) here for a while, coming up on about a 1000 hours and working on my ratings. I'm a little later in life. If there's anything I've learned from reading APC, Regionals change a lot in fortunes, schedules, etc....it's a dynamic business.

I won't go down the "which regional" rabbit hole, but i would like some advice on what's the latest for a guy that would love to have a Dallas domicile. Doesn't need to happen right off the bat, but it needs to be a legit option within a year or so. I'm looking for quality of organization (1), best training/experience (2), best health/401K benefits (3), in an airline that will likely have work in Dallas long term. I want something i can stay at for several years to set myself up for the future, but at the same time be a good company worth being employed by if another downturn hits. I know that's a lot to ask though, but would appreciate your take.

Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2833275)

Envoy, after their pay raise comes through. DFW area is their headquarters (along with AA) so they won’t be going anywhere long term.

Originally Posted by LowerLoon185 (Post 2831493)

I won't go down the "which regional" rabbit hole, but i would like some advice on what's the latest for a guy that would love to have a Dallas domicile. Doesn't need to happen right off the bat, but it needs to be a legit option within a year or so. I'm looking for quality of organization (1), best training/experience (2), best health/401K benefits (3), in an airline that will likely have work in Dallas long term. I want something i can stay at for several years to set myself up for the future, but at the same time be a good company worth being employed by if another downturn hits. I know that's a lot to ask though, but would appreciate your take.

Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2833275)

Envoy, after their pay raise comes through. DFW area is their headquarters (along with AA) so they won’t be going anywhere long term.

Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2833433)

My take on this is that you are focusing on all of the wrong things. Unless you are hitting age 65 within the next decade you should really only be concerned about two things:

living in base (above all else)
flying as much as possible - safely of course

You need to be looking to set yourself up for beyond the regionals before you even step foot into the training center on day 1 of indoc. Things like quality of organization, business ethics, 401k benefits, and long term stability are all trash and have no relevance at the regional level. Nobody cares and most of those organizations behave like runaway trains on a good day.

There will be a time to focus on those things that you listed but now is not that time. The best advice is to live in base and DO NOT GET COMFORTABLE...EVER!

Now apply, get an offer, and get out there and fly son!

Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2833433)

My take on this is that you are focusing on all of the wrong things. Unless you are hitting age 65 within the next decade you should really only be concerned about two things:

living in base (above all else)
flying as much as possible - safely of course

You need to be looking to set yourself up for beyond the regionals before you even step foot into the training center on day 1 of indoc. Things like quality of organization, business ethics, 401k benefits, and long term stability are all trash and have no relevance at the regional level. Nobody cares and most of those organizations behave like runaway trains on a good day.

There will be a time to focus on those things that you listed but now is not that time. The best advice is to live in base and DO NOT GET COMFORTABLE...EVER!

Now apply, get an offer, and get out there and fly son!

Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2833794)

I second this being a second career guy myself (prior military without the flying background).

Pick a regional where you will live in best (QOL improvement is huge over commuting), one where you will fly, one and where upgrade is quick.

Long term stability doesn’t really exist in the regional world because flying will come and go same with bases. In your case, I would go Envoy for that DFW base.

Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2833794)

I second this being a second career guy myself (prior military without the flying background).

Pick a regional where you will live in best (QOL improvement is huge over commuting), one where you will fly, one and where upgrade is quick.

Long term stability doesn’t really exist in the regional world because flying will come and go same with bases. In your case, I would go Envoy for that DFW base.