How to remove R-ATP/PIC limitations via a DPE
#11
In that case, yeah, if you'll have the 500 hours, then I'm sure the DPE could remove the limitations at the same time.
#12
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
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#13
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Joined APC: Jan 2020
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I just removed the R-ATP and PIC limitations from my pilot certificate using a DPE. I couldn't find a good condensed source of information for how to do it, so I'm gonna document it here.
Yes, if your airline will do this for you for free, then go ahead and do that, of course. However, if your airline won't/can't outside upgrade and you need/want an unrestricted ATP now, then this worked.
Instructions are based on direction from the PWM FSDO. It's never a bad idea to check with your local FSDO first, because y'know the FAA. If you'll work with a DPE who hasn't done this before, then you'll probably have to lead them through the process. Be prepared.
I needed one paper 8710 for each limitation that I was removing. This was explicitly stated by the FSDO inspector. I removed two limitations, so I submitted two 8710s. Neither the DPE nor the FAA gave me a hard time about submitting two forms at once.
If you're removing a 61.167 (R-ATP) restriction, then bring your logbooks to prove your aeronautical experience. If you're removing a PIC-in-type limitation, then bring proof that you have twenty-five hours of supervised operating experience (SOE: flying, not monitoring). If you're removing both limitations, then bring it all, of course.
On the 8710, make sure:
The whole thing takes half an hour to an hour, depending on how fast and/or thorough your DPE is.
If your FSDO provides different instructions, then this thread would be a good place to document that. Just sayin'.
No, I can't lead you through the process personally. Please don't PM me about such stuff... just read the post above. Sorry.
Good luck!
Yes, if your airline will do this for you for free, then go ahead and do that, of course. However, if your airline won't/can't outside upgrade and you need/want an unrestricted ATP now, then this worked.
Instructions are based on direction from the PWM FSDO. It's never a bad idea to check with your local FSDO first, because y'know the FAA. If you'll work with a DPE who hasn't done this before, then you'll probably have to lead them through the process. Be prepared.
I needed one paper 8710 for each limitation that I was removing. This was explicitly stated by the FSDO inspector. I removed two limitations, so I submitted two 8710s. Neither the DPE nor the FAA gave me a hard time about submitting two forms at once.
If you're removing a 61.167 (R-ATP) restriction, then bring your logbooks to prove your aeronautical experience. If you're removing a PIC-in-type limitation, then bring proof that you have twenty-five hours of supervised operating experience (SOE: flying, not monitoring). If you're removing both limitations, then bring it all, of course.
On the 8710, make sure:
- the certificate that you select is ATP.
- the request that you select is limitation removal.
- you specify the specific limitation on the form.
- Part II is blank.
- you complete Parts III and IV.
- the DPE certifies that they've reviewed your logbook and/or training record.
- The appropriate attachments are selected on the form and included. If you're submitting two forms, make sure that the correct paperwork is attached to each form.
The whole thing takes half an hour to an hour, depending on how fast and/or thorough your DPE is.
If your FSDO provides different instructions, then this thread would be a good place to document that. Just sayin'.
No, I can't lead you through the process personally. Please don't PM me about such stuff... just read the post above. Sorry.
Good luck!
Last edited by v1flyer; 01-23-2020 at 09:05 AM.
#14
If it was my leg to fly, then we logged that leg as PF from out to in. That is how both LCAs with whom I flew logged my SOE time. I carried that method over to the next few captains with whom I flew.
#19
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 4
ICAO PIC Limitation
Great info, thanks! My current ATP states, "Limitations: Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO” because I only have 95 night hours and substituted night hours for night landings in excess of 20 IAW 61.159 ("A person who has performed at least 20 night takeoffs and landings to a full stop may substitute each additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of night flight time to satisfy the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) of this section"). I'm getting ready to apply to the majors - will the above ICAO PIC limitation be an issue when trying to get hired?
#20
Contact your closest FSDO and see if they can do it via zoom or come in. It’s free, I’ve did that awhile back. Just bring documents the show that you meet the minimums to have the restrictions removed. Whole process took 10-15 mins.
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