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Corsair66 10-01-2019 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 2896431)
I would suggest recent glass time if you’re a steam gauge person. The transition is not insignificant and you don’t want to be learning it in your sims, which presume glass IFR proficiency.

Another challenge I’ve observed in the transition you’re making is the level of automation, which can bewilder those of us whose experience is mainly stick-and-rudder types. Again, not something that’s easy for everyone to pick up in a sim session or two, and falling behind hurts chances of success.

Candidly, I wouldn’t put stock in the “it’s too hard past 50” naysayers. It depends on the person. If you put in the time, focus on the right things, stay positive, and listen, it’s just another airplane. But I’d show up glass-proficient and IFR-sharp. Fly with some airline buddies and ask for their honest feedback, then work hard to improve BEFORE showing up.

Thanks for that; I agree 100% with your various points. Although I've spent quite a bit of time on the sport aviation side of things, I've also done my share of hard IFR and glass cockpit work. By the time I show up for training, I'll have several hundred recent hours in my all-glass airplane (as much of that time IFR as I can manage) and will absolutely follow your suggestion of seeking direct feedback on my flying and readiness.

sflpilot 10-01-2019 10:50 AM

In my experience most of the older career changers don’t get anywhere near as prepared as they need to be even though they think they are. They are also typically very overconfident probably because of their success in the previous career. When you couple that with the fact that they haven’t been in school in decades so study skills are not really there. All of that in an unforgiving training environment at the regionals usually doesn’t end well for a lot of them. We had a guy who consistently bragged about how experienced he was in a 172. As it turns out he only had 10 hours of multi engine time it was before the rules changed. Failed his oral and could not stop crashing the simulator they released him after sim 2. He didn’t even get to single engine operations just couldn’t handle two engines at the same time.

Corsair66 10-01-2019 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 2896498)
In my experience most of the older career changers don’t get anywhere near as prepared as they need to be even though they think they are. They are also typically very overconfident probably because of their success in the previous career. When you couple that with the fact that they haven’t been in school in decades so study skills are not really there. All of that in an unforgiving training environment at the regionals usually doesn’t end well for a lot of them. We had a guy who consistently bragged about how experienced he was in a 172. As it turns out he only had 10 hours of multi engine time it was before the rules changed. Failed his oral and could not stop crashing the simulator they released him after sim 2. He didn’t even get to single engine operations just couldn’t handle two engines at the same time.

Point taken. I’m nothing if not objective about myself and pretty much everything and everyone else. I’m not worried about my studying skills/habits; I have wide-ranging interests and have never stopped learning, both formally and otherwise.

The proof will be in the proverbial pudding. I’ll return to lurking mode here for the next few months, build the necessary hours, get razor-sharp on instruments again, and see where things go with my regional applications.

Thanks to all for the helpful input.

rickair7777 10-01-2019 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 2896498)
In my experience most of the older career changers don’t get anywhere near as prepared as they need to be even though they think they are. They are also typically very overconfident probably because of their success in the previous career. When you couple that with the fact that they haven’t been in school in decades so study skills are not really there. All of that in an unforgiving training environment at the regionals usually doesn’t end well for a lot of them. We had a guy who consistently bragged about how experienced he was in a 172. As it turns out he only had 10 hours of multi engine time it was before the rules changed. Failed his oral and could not stop crashing the simulator they released him after sim 2. He didn’t even get to single engine operations just couldn’t handle two engines at the same time.

I wouldn't say most, I've seen many who do fine. But they are at a cognitive (and often recency) disadvantage... the ones who realize and adjust their habits usually do just fine.

121 is nothing at all like stick-and-rudder GA flying... that just provides a foundation.

rickair7777 10-01-2019 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Corsair66 (Post 2896506)
I have wide-ranging interests and have never stopped learning, both formally and otherwise.

That will help.

No Land 3 10-02-2019 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2896070)
No. Just no.

Were you ever a flight instructor? The majority of my 2000 hours of dual given was teaching instrument flying, and I know first hand what works the best. Give you a hint, it isn't a stupid hood that the students can cheat with.

DarkSideMoon 10-02-2019 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2896834)
Were you ever a flight instructor? The majority of my 2000 hours of dual given was teaching instrument flying, and I know first hand what works the best. Give you a hint, it isn't a stupid hood that the students can cheat with.

The people that are having a hard time getting through airline training aren’t the ones with several hundred hours of recent flight time, it’s the ones that thought playing flight simulator at home and getting an IPC after several years off would shake the rust off enough to fly something 15 times bigger and 3 times faster than their last airplane.

No Land 3 10-02-2019 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2896969)
The people that are having a hard time getting through airline training aren’t the ones with several hundred hours of recent flight time, it’s the ones that thought playing flight simulator at home and getting an IPC after several years off would shake the rust off enough to fly something 15 times bigger and 3 times faster than their last airplane.

Well, that is entirely different than saying it is instruments, but isn't that the case with most new people at a regional? Heck, you describe me when I was a newhire at a regional, but I had no issues. Wasn't until IOE that flying a jet for the first time, every takeoff felt like I was riding on a tip of a spear. And in my case, thank goodness I played flightsim a lot, made learning the automation easy. Thank you PMDG.

pilotnmech 10-07-2019 12:10 PM

Where are you located around Orlando? Could you pm me? We have a lot in common.

SureJetStick 10-10-2019 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2894948)
Envoy and you can retire with AA employee travel benefits for life with 10 years in.

That’s what ASA employees were told, and expecting. When Delta dumped ASA (ExpressJet) there went the flight benefits for those retired or who had at least 10 years employment on the Delta side. I think they’re completely hosed for any kind of reduced travel Now but I don’t know for sure.

Point being things change in the Regional world.


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