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ghilis101 05-09-2007 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by flyover (Post 163049)
Because CAL sucks and are branded flying ROCKS! Could be for hiring unqualified pilots to be $30/hr F.O.s


haha you dont know that just yet there buddy

ExperimentalAB 05-09-2007 05:25 PM

Alrighty, I hate to bring this up, but it's kind of been bothering me...

Has anybody noticed XJT guys come across...well...patronizing?? Maybe that isn't the correct word, but the ones I've come across were far from humble.

Maybe it's the product of their damaged-ego's and consequential branded-flying LoL.

And really here, these aren't fightin'-words! But for all you XJT'ers out there, we're all human, though we may not be worthy of the "Express" title ;-)

ExperimentalAB 05-09-2007 05:26 PM

But of course, I always wish ya'll the best with your flying-thing!!

Superpilot92 05-09-2007 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 163087)
Alrighty, I hate to bring this up, but it's kind of been bothering me...

Has anybody noticed XJT guys come across...well...patronizing?? Maybe that isn't the correct word, but the ones I've come across were far from humble.

Maybe it's the product of their damaged-ego's and consequential branded-flying LoL.

And really here, these aren't fightin'-words! But for all you XJT'ers out there, we're all human, though we may not be worthy of the "Express" title ;-)

If you really must know what it is, its pride. We are treated well here and most really like it. Its not you avg. regional as far as enjoyment in the job goes. Ask any person whom has come from another regional if thats true. I think its an awesome thing. People should be proud of where they work, unfortunately most regionals treat their employees like crap. The branded flying did even more a sense of pride. Its the "Southwest" way of running an airline. Treat your employees well and performance and efficiency goes up. I think you might have mistaken our "attitudes" as patronization but its pride for the most part. Sorry if it comes across differently. We have a fantastic pilot group here and run a great operation. Cheers!!:D

xjtr 05-09-2007 06:12 PM

Xjet is in arbitration with CAL because the rates that xjt charges are high. It also creates problems with xjt getting other contracts (from what I hear, if xjt wanted to fly more than 10 planes for another carrier, they would have to charge the same as they do for CAL and nobody will pay it) The extra eight that delta is getting will be on a code share type of agreement.

Superpilot92 05-09-2007 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by xjtr (Post 163122)
Xjet is in arbitration with CAL because the rates that xjt charges are high. It also creates problems with xjt getting other contracts (from what I hear, if xjt wanted to fly more than 10 planes for another carrier, they would have to charge the same as they do for CAL and nobody will pay it) The extra eight that delta is getting will be on a code share type of agreement.

High compared to what? Its high because thats what CAL agreed to and they get great service for it. Look at what happens when they tried to get someone cheaper. You've seen the stats on that whole circus. The only reason its higher is because everyone is trying to undercut us. We have continually had to lower the rate because of the other carriers keep lowering their profits. CHQ does this by getting a bunch of agreements for lower % which add up. We had just one code share, CAL they were our sole source of income hence keeping the rates up. Now we are diversifying which is good for everyone. The key is to keep the standards high. If we can keep the standards high and lower our costs by diversification then we will be sitting pretty. IMHO

xjtr 05-09-2007 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 163087)
Alrighty, I hate to bring this up, but it's kind of been bothering me...

Has anybody noticed XJT guys come across...well...patronizing?? Maybe that isn't the correct word, but the ones I've come across were far from humble.

Maybe it's the product of their damaged-ego's and consequential branded-flying LoL.

And really here, these aren't fightin'-words! But for all you XJT'ers out there, we're all human, though we may not be worthy of the "Express" title ;-)

it is true that we get treated well here but I do feel that there is kind of a "holier than thou" attitude in the forums. At least that is the way it seems.. I could be wrong but why would so many people say stuff about it? But I can tell you this: From my experience with the company, this is not representative of the rest of the almost 3000 pilots in the company. Its just that I don't think people realize how hard it is to get a good contract like the one at xjt. We have alpa but so does mesa.

xjtr 05-09-2007 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 163128)
High compared to what? Its high because thats what CAL agreed to and they get great service for it. Look at what happens when they tried to get someone cheaper. You've seen the stats on that whole circus. The only reason its higher is because everyone is trying to undercut us. We have continually had to lower the rate because of the other carriers keep lowering their profits. CHQ does this by getting a bunch of agreements for lower % which add up. We had just one code share, CAL they were our sole source of income hence keeping the rates up. Now we are diversifying which is good for everyone. The key is to keep the standards high. If we can keep the standards high and lower our costs by diversification then we will be sitting pretty. IMHO

I guess what I meant to say is that CAL feels it is high. Obviously we have a great product that is worth the money, but you-know-who is a beancounter.

4N1flyr 05-09-2007 06:35 PM

I kinda agree with a mildly arrogant tone, but I usually just chalked it up to happy pilots, which is never a bad thing.

Any guys/gals out there running the charter routes? What's your average load? Are the airplanes mostly full or empty?

ghilis101 05-09-2007 06:49 PM

i like xjeters. they are a great group. you probably do see some arrogance on the forum but you see that from everyone who swears by their airline


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