AVIATE FIFO List
 

Anyone have any idea as to when the FIFO list will be released if accepted into the AVIATE program?

I don't have an answer but was wondering the same thing. Curious to see where I stand.

Possibly after the last of the interviews which I believe is jan31st

That’s what I was figuring. Do y’all really think it will be a 6 mth wait?

Yeah they seem to be in no hurry to bring guys over. The first few guys will probably start to go over in May. The big question is how many spots from Aviate will go to each new hire class.

Enough to simultaneously make the program seem legitimate while also maintaining staffing at the UAX regionals. My airline I believe trains about 10 new CAs per month and we are understaffed. I wouldn't expect more than 2 or 3 per month but that's just totally a guess.

Also, IMO the only thing they have to do to keep the program legitimate is to make the time of service for those being taken similar to the AA flows. So I would expect them to meter it so that the people being taken are around 5-6 years at the company.... again im just guessing

So the Aviate program is ending on Jan 31st forever?

No, just the first “wave.” Don’t know when the window for the second “wave” begins.

After the first 2 waves it should go to open interviews. After the first waves position on the fifo list is acceptance date. During the first waves its based on company seniority date irrespective of company. People in CPP go before everyone in aviate.

How many cpp folks are filling classes per month? I think that should give a good baseline without confirmation from United.

I have no idea, but during the informational conference calls they were saying they only had something like 200 cpp folks and they wanted to get all of them over to United in something like 6 months or less. I could be wrong though.

The AA flows are superior to Aviate because they are guarantees. If you could go to an AA wholly owned with a guarantee of flowing in 5-10 years, or go to a UAX carrier with only a chance of being selected into Aviate and then flowing in 5-10 years, who would you choose?

If they don’t get their timeline significantly shorter than an AA flow no one will think they’re legitimate

They’ll get it down to 2 years. With them selecting what we think is so few people so far the small pool will go to UA over the next year meanwhile the new hires selected will wait to get their time and be at the top of the list by the time they Qualify.

Aviate FIFO list
 

Anyone know the actual numbers per carrier, accepted into Aviate so far? First wave?

This is a really hard question to answer with the absence of any hard data from UAL and participating carriers/unions. I wont let that stop me from trying though!

Based on data collected by a buddy of mine that was compared to our union's data (the accuracy of which depends on Aviate participants actually emailing results to the union), XJT has approximately 65-70 successful Aviate participants TOTAL in 1st and 2nd waves. Assuming each carrier has a similar pass rate, their should be around 130-140 more successful participants from the other 3 participating carriers based on comparison of their # of pilots to XJT. That equates to 195-210 participants from 1st 2 waves. From what I have heard, it seems the 1st 2 deciles of the FIFO list are CPP participants who have yet to transition. That leaves the 195-210 Aviate participants occupying deciles 3-10. That means approximately 24-26 people per decile. If(and it's a HUGE if) these #s are accurate, then the following would be a general idea of what # you are in FIFO list:
Dec 1: 1-25 CPP
Dec 2: 26-50 CPP
Dec 3: 51-75
Dec 4: 76-100
Dec 5: 101-125
Dec 6: 126-150
Dec 7: 151-175
Dec 8: 176-200
Dec 9: 201-225
Dec 10: 226-250

Look, I know these #s are wrong but by how much is the question. The margin of error is large and if we share some data we can narrow it down. I don't represent the XJT union in any capacity and definitely do not stand by the accuracy of these #s. Maybe we can all get some dialogue going to share what we do know(which isn't much).

Remember Awac and CommuteAir have much smaller pilot groups to pull from. And Mesa effectively only has half the pilot group eligible. So I assume the other groups have half the Aviate pilots Expressjet has if the pass rate is near the same across airlines.

Interesting, that’s what some of my friends at my carrier (Mesa) have thought too. Very hard getting concrete numbers, but we think it’s 40ish that have passed the interview, which makes our decile a bit smaller.....if it’s only Mesa. So, is the fifo list just for your carrier, or is it everyone on one list?

Oh, and at Mesa we have had some of the pilots on the American side pass the interview. They will be on the list a long time since they’ll have to get on the United side to start building the requirement time.

The FIFO list is one big list with pilots from all the participating carriers. I did interview with some Mesa guys who are DFW based and admitted they wouldn't be eligible to transition anytime soon. That is one of the many factors that blur the already muddied waters of Aviate.

Wow two years and list still hasn’t came out.

not ever going to come out just your decile.

They don't even release that anymore