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EEked Out 05-11-2007 03:07 PM

CRJ Sim Help
 
I start ground training in a few weeks and I hear that if your going to fail training it usually is in the sim. I'm wondering what I can do to prepare for the sim before I go. Microsoft? FTD? Glass 172? Any tips on what to expect once in the sim. Any advice that anyone can give me is very appreciated. Thanks in advance.

lowflyby 05-11-2007 03:16 PM

Make sure you know your flows, profiles, and call outs cold. Be able to perform them while being distracted, eating, sleeping, whatever. If you know them it will make learning in the sim much easier. When the sim starts moving and you're off the ground, it's easy to forget everything you learned sitting in a CPT while the room is still.

crjav8er 05-11-2007 03:24 PM

Second on the flows. When things get a little crazy just remember it is just another airplane. You already know how to fly, so relax and just fly.

rickair7777 05-11-2007 04:41 PM

If your basic instrument skills are rusty, MS FS is the cheapest solution. May as well pick a turbojet aircraft with a PFD. Just stick to the IFR basics...don't waste time worrying about systems.


The flows and profiles are critical. If you can juggle tennis balls, or bounce one off a wall while reciting profiles you should be good.

TonyWilliams 05-11-2007 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 164183)
If your basic instrument skills are rusty, MS FS is the cheapest solution. May as well pick a turbojet aircraft with a PFD. Just stick to the IFR basics...don't waste time worrying about systems.


The flows and profiles are critical. If you can juggle tennis balls, or bounce one off a wall while reciting profiles you should be good.

Very sage advice..... and when you can bounce that tennis ball and successfully recite your flows and callouts, find something else to distract you.

Do it in the shower, on the potty, driving down the road, standing in a line, waiting for the bus, etc.

What airline?

Ellen 05-11-2007 09:49 PM

Go fly a BE1900 in the mountains in the snow without autopilot for a few months. You'll be fine in the sim then. GUARANTEED.

FlyerJosh 05-12-2007 04:52 AM

I've posted this on here several times before, but I still think that it remains one of the best articles about airline style training. Make sure you read it and give it some consideration before you start.

It's a long read, but has some very good tips. Written by a former sim instructor and check airmen, and a very good friend of mine: Playing the Game: An Insider's Guide to Successful Airline Simulator Training

ghilis101 05-12-2007 05:09 AM

pick a good partner. there is nothing more important than getting along with your study/sim partner. youd be amazed as to how well you can do when you back each other up. go in there as a team and you will look like a real crew

BoilerUP 05-12-2007 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 164338)
Go fly a BE1900 in the mountains in the snow without autopilot for a few months. You'll be fine in the sim then. GUARANTEED.

No disrespect to Beech drivers, but this statement is not necessarily true. Sure their handflying skills would be great but so are the skills of somebody flying for AirNet or Ram Air Freight...its mostly dealing with the automation and speed at which things happen that causes problems for some folks.

When handflying, make sure to use trim. But when you use trim, only activate it a second or two at a time so as to not overtrim. The most important thing when hand-flying is DON'T FIGHT THE AIRPLANE. The airplane flies well but the simulator is much more sensitive on the roll axis and somewhat more sensitive on the pitch axis so just like your private instructor said, don't over control the airplane.

Slow down. In the sim certain maneuvers require a certain speed, but for everything else don't worry about blasting off to the next situation. Fly either 250 or 200 but whatever you fly make sure you bug that speed and fly that speed.

Don't let anybody fool you - the autopilot is your best friend in the sim. You can't let George rip right after a V1 cut, but turning the AP on after you've got the airplane stable and climbing will allow you to relax somewhat and work through the problem. I actually had a CKA tell me to "use the damn autopilot" during an engine failure on a PC, FWIW...

Don't allow yourself to get slow on final, trust your sim instructor, know your boldface boxed memory items COLD, have fun, and be as calm as possible on your PC. Good luck!

mia389 05-14-2007 06:57 PM

I used Microsoft flight simulator. It helped a lot for me. It got me used to using autopilot and gave me a good scan on glass. I bought a payware plane from here

http://www.wilcopub.com/index.cfm?fu...prod_CRJ_fleet

It also can produce bad habits so be very open when your start training. Use the fms and track vors inbound/outbound using the autopilot. The plane above is very realistic. Hope this helps!

Airsupport 05-14-2007 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 164338)
Go fly a BE1900 in the mountains in the snow without autopilot for a few months. You'll be fine in the sim then. GUARANTEED.

this is coming from someone who has never flown a plane before, and has no experience in the airline business. You will do fine in the sims if you know your profiles cold. Its a lot easier to focus on flying the plane when you don't have to worry about call outs, or profiles.

Silver02ex 05-15-2007 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 164338)
Go fly a BE1900 in the mountains in the snow without autopilot for a few months. You'll be fine in the sim then. GUARANTEED.


I flew bank checks for 10 months. Crossing the cascades 2 times a day, 5 days a week. Honestly, it was still hard for me to transition in the sim.

TOPDOG 05-15-2007 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 164338)
Go fly a BE1900 in the mountains in the snow without autopilot for a few months. You'll be fine in the sim then. GUARANTEED.

Ellen, In the sim and a lot of time in real life you don't hand fly the RJ except on Take off, you can turn it on at 600ft AGL even with an engine failure and you don't have to turn it off until 80 ft AGL. Hand flying does you NO good, sorry. Just know your flows, call outs and what BUTTONS TO PUSH.

flynavyj 05-15-2007 07:17 AM

i agree with being "teamy" with your sim partner, if you've got a captain upgrade in the left seat learn as much as you can from him, if you've got another new hire, then you guys should be learning as a team. If both of you come from a CFI background that should help, as you'll know how to give each other pointers, or other advise, and hopefully you'll both know how to take advise as well. You're instructor is there to teach you how to fly "THE" plane, but not how to fly "A" plane, so be brushed up on your instrument procedures, i'd use microsoft flight sim, i bought the ERJ PIC program for mine, worked nice for getting a scan. But don't be expecting to land the sim because you can land your flight simulator, as they're two different things, same with the sim and the airplane. If you are going to use MSFS, all weather is at minimums, all approaches are to minimums, or to a missed, etc.

But everyone else is definitely right about knowing your flows/profiles before you hit that sim box, and have a good idea of how to use the automation to fly the airplane.

WhiteH2O 05-15-2007 07:36 AM

I had a sim partner when I went through that wasn't very helpful. It really made things hard. I will say what others have said, get a good partner who you get along with and will help you.

Also, know flows and memory items cold. I practiced them while having the TV and the radio on in the background. Try to get distracted as you can and know them well enough to be able to get through them easily.

Practice flying approaches on flight sim with the fastest plane you can find. The flying isn't realistic, but teaching your brain to do IFR quickly will help. Have someone give you holds, change runways, and other stuff to keep you thinking so aren't prepaired and so that you get supprised.

tonsterboy5 06-09-2019 07:00 PM

Since the new trend is bumping old threads, i figured I would ask, anyone else have any hints?

As Briefed 06-09-2019 07:05 PM

Omg who mentioned Ram Air Freight, yep date checks.

wrxpilot 06-09-2019 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 2834513)
Since the new trend is bumping old threads, i figured I would ask, anyone else have any hints?

There’s really not much else to tell. I’ve been through numerous 121 events at different airlines. I’ve never seen anyone fail because they didn’t know the KVA rating of a generator. I have however seen people struggle because they didn’t have flows and/or call outs down cold with their sim partner.

Hawker445 06-17-2019 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2834526)
There’s really not much else to tell. I’ve been through numerous 121 events at different airlines. I’ve never seen anyone fail because they didn’t know the KVA rating of a generator. I have however seen people struggle because they didn’t have flows and/or call outs down cold with their sim partner.

Agree with this. My class had two guys fail in sim. Both struggled with their flows and call outs.

Blackhawk 06-18-2019 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 164183)
If your basic instrument skills are rusty, MS FS is the cheapest solution. May as well pick a turbojet aircraft with a PFD. Just stick to the IFR basics...don't waste time worrying about systems.


The flows and profiles are critical. If you can juggle tennis balls, or bounce one off a wall while reciting profiles you should be good.

This. I would actually say a PI-135 or other such sim that must be flown with fingertips. You don’t need to fly a jet- even a heavy- with your palms.


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