skyemiles2

Actually... that is something you need to check yes to, as I found out when I didn’t get through the filters somewhere.

I was a referral so the recruiter did call and ask, but that question is really badly written. It’s more... “will you”. Dumb, but that’s how I leaned the answer to that.

I highly doubt that would have an effect on the hiring decision though.

Cyio

Call and ask them why?

Baradium

Most companies won't tell you because they won't want to establish a pattern of having to say why and risking a lawsuit. That said, if you aren't *eligible* for an R-ATP they won't be able to hire you, so I think that answer is a big factor in the OP's problems. Could possibly send a messaging noting that was in error and see if that changes their minds.

rickair7777

That's not it. If it was they would just tell him he needs five more hours.

Could also be Envoy sincerely wants him to try again in six months, and somebody at mesa just accidentally hit the "TBNT" button instead of the "CJO" button. That would be so mesa.

Might call mesa and ask what you can do improve your application for next time?

Monass74

Envoy is getting more selective because of the flow and I believe it’s nothing about your background checks because i think they don’t get too deep into it before you pass the interview and get the CJO from the captains board.
Mesa is starting to “act like being selective” due to it’s reputation of literally hiring anyone anywhere at anytime. You’re not the first one i see that has been rejected by Mesa recently. I know people who got rejected by Mesa in the last 4 or 5 months and got hired by Republic, Expressjet and Skywest.
So i would say that you’re just unlucky because the first 2 you picked are either being or acting like being selective these days. So there’s absolutely no reason to freak out about it. Just check your app for any mistakes and give other regionals a try.

havick206

Just to put some things in perspective.

When I was hired at envoy back in 2016 I got a call from recruiting a week or so after interview after PRIA came back.

Previous employer had some really vindictive things to say, they asked me to clarify and they were all good with the clarification and was sent a CJO about an hour later.

So it’s not like they don’t give someone an opportunity to explain something odd or that doesn’t make sense to them. Ie in my case great references for years either side of one s*itty one.

idlethrust

Rejected by Mesa ?
This world is truly coming to an end

captande

I don’t know you so I don’t take this as a jab, but maybe you’re presenting yourself improperly. Sometimes in HR portions they’ll ask questions about your credentials and if you toe that line between confidence and arrogance they’ll send the TBNT email. Have to remember they’re also looking for guys they can see themselves spending 4 days with. Just spitballing here since things seem relatively in order for you.

TiredSoul

I’ve conducted my fair share of phone interviews, not as applicant but as interviewer prior to inviting them for a face to face.
Now ok this was for CFI positions but same principle applies.
You can tell the difference between somebody who is nervous and eager to answer and somebody who is not listening or just simply rude as they interrupt you.
Or great credentials and everything is whine whine whine.
If they ask you a TMAAT question and you go off on a tangent HR is not likely to sit there and let you know how they really feel.
Once you’re done with your conspiracy theories they’ll nod and say thank you let’s move on shall we?
Meanwhile you’re sitting there thinking you did A-OK.
Im obviously partially joking here but that’s kinda how it goes.
I’m not going to sit there and argue with an applicant as to why I think they’re wrong.
I’m just making a note that they do t know a particular subject very well.
During a little break I’d walk downstairs and ask the ladies behind the front desk about their first impression and their opinion weighed really heavily. They pretty much had a veto.
You come in as a potential coworker and give them an attitude as if you’re Gods gift to aviation.
Now most of the time the applicant wasn’t really doing well independently of getting the thumbs down from the front desk.
You got both barrels you’re outta here.
When you interview treat everybody like they have a veto. Hotel staff, van driver, HR assistant signing you in, the cleaner you pass in the hallway.
Not that they’ll ask the cleaner about you but somebody walking by might just catch you being a d!ck.
When you’re in a group of applicants be polite and don’t try and be the top monkey on the hill.
Immediately grabbing the alpha male role in a group and starting with your war stories won’t go over well when observed.
Bad mouthing your present or past employers doesn’t go over well either.
In my last interview we had a guy who looked like his blind mother picked out his clothes.
Like he’s literally wearing a suit where nothing matches, jacket doesn’t match the pants doesn’t match the shirt doesn’t match the shoes. Here’s another guy who in a room full of strangers immediately starts talking Air Force stories and him flying his lawn dart. Cool story brah....

Theres more to an interview then showing up on time and having an answer to everything.

rickair7777

That's just what fighter people do.... I'd be worried about one who DIDN'T tell me he was a fighter pilot.

All time record for that, got on the employee bus, mostly ground staff but one other pilot got on and sat next to me (complete stranger, different airline). I started the usual "how ya doin? Where ya goin today?"... it took literally less than 30 seconds for him to work into the conversation that he was an ex Blue Angel. Usually that would happen on the taxi out with most guys