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flyingmau5 04-30-2020 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Aeirum (Post 3045567)
You need to ask yourself if you’d be happy as a regional lifer. You might even make check airman and make today’s equivalent of 150-200k. ACMI is another possibility. If that sounds acceptable then continue. Anything beyond that will be gravy.

Quite a few guys at legacy carriers with a few blackmarks. It's normal.

USMCFLYR 04-30-2020 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 3045569)
Quite a few guys at legacy carriers with a few blackmarks. It's normal.

There is a difference between a few black marks and having failed most of your checkrides before ever getting to the ATP level and type checks and such.
The OP has been given good solid information thus far - but let's not blow sunshine all over the place either. What the OP has in his history up to this point is NOT normal.

Aeirum 04-30-2020 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by flyingmau5 (Post 3045569)
Quite a few guys at legacy carriers with a few blackmarks. It's normal.

4 is going to make it near impossible to make it past the computer. I’m not saying impossible but op needs to be honest about if he’d be happy not making to the top tier. It’s not just a possibility but a probability.

Bellanca 04-30-2020 01:04 PM

The good part is failures before ATP seem a lot more forgivable. The bad part is 4 is already a lot and you really need to push for a clean record from here on out.

I know a couple pilots with several busted rides and other black marks that finally got the majors to interview them in the past few months (checkride busts + a 121 training failure or ac incident) . Both of them have CJOs at legacies and class dates canceled indefinitely because of covid. So it really remains to be seen if it will ever come to fruition for them. At some point it will get to the point again where Delta and United can't just skim the creme de la creme off the top of the app pool and they'll start looking at people aren't 'perfect' again. However, this covid recession probably set that back another 7-10 years. There's still a glut of highly qualified applicants, as people build more experience that number only gets bigger.

I also know a couple people that flowed up to AA that would have really struggled to get hired off the street.

USMCFLYR 04-30-2020 01:07 PM

People don’t make it to the top tier in MOST professions.
- Actor
- Singer
- Sports
- Lawyer
- Doctor
- how many other?

What is top tier anyways?
Top pay? Top quality of life?
Top benefits?

Many certainly chose pay to be the #1 driver.
I’d say it is top tier in pay but it is far from top tier in my personal career choice for numerous reasons.
what did you say a Regional CA can make? Someone recently said a LCC CA could make $300k.
can someone on here REALLY SAY that that isn’t a great paying career.
if so - you are ignorant and somehow think that everyone can make TOP WAGES?
Foolish.

4020Driver 04-30-2020 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Ken88 (Post 3045495)
I visited that thread and alot of good info there as well thanks. I do work as an A&P it is not a bad way to make a living, but I definitely agree that it is not as satisfying when you really want to fly. I am going to keep pushing along possibly get a little C150 and build some time until I can find a decent flying job and work and study my hardest and ensuring I go nowhere near another failure.

That’s great! I hope you make it to your career goal. Be sure to get an Autogas STC for your 150, it saved me a ton of money over the years on my airplane.

rickair7777 04-30-2020 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 3045611)
People don’t make it to the top tier in MOST professions.
- Actor
- Singer
- Sports
- Lawyer
- Doctor
- how many other?

What is top tier anyways?
Top pay? Top quality of life?
Top benefits?

Many certainly chose pay to be the #1 driver.
I’d say it is top tier in pay but it is far from top tier in my personal career choice for numerous reasons.
what did you say a Regional CA can make? Someone recently said a LCC CA could make $300k.
can someone on here REALLY SAY that that isn’t a great paying career.
if so - you are ignorant and somehow think that everyone can make TOP WAGES?
Foolish.

LCC CA can make quite a bit more than $300K, or at least they could last month.

Safest career to hit it out of the park is Dr.... if you graduate from med school you're probably set. Most of the others it's a long, steep climb with many or most falling out along the way to the top.

FlyingDad65 05-01-2020 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Aeirum (Post 3045579)
4 is going to make it near impossible to make it past the computer. I’m not saying impossible but op needs to be honest about if he’d be happy not making to the top tier. It’s not just a possibility but a probability.

^^^THIS^^^
The best bet would be to get those ratings/training going again and make sure you are perfect from here on out. If you have 400 hours and your multi, try to get in the SCM program at FS or CAE. You might not make it through the computer screening even at a regional, so face time at any and all job FAR’s and career expos is your best bet. And spend some $$ on resume and interview prep even for the job fairs. They have a lot of great insight on putting the best spin on check ride failures, DUI’s and other driving record issues. But you will have to show your face and present well to get a call. You probably would not get one with just submitting an application.

LoneStar32 05-01-2020 06:58 AM

I mean your best and only bet is to get on somewhere with Flow if it still exists after all of this. It was built for people like you.

sflpilot 05-01-2020 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 3046078)
I mean your best and only bet is to get on somewhere with Flow if it still exists after all of this. It was built for people like you.

Even with the flow regionals they still have restrictions in place on individuals with backgrounds that mainline would not find acceptable.


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