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86BravoPapa 02-19-2020 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by 3400 (Post 2980080)
Envoy FO’s start out making $5/hr more than Republic right now.

True, but Year 2 is the same at both and captain pay at Republic is way ahead of Envoy. It seems Envoy pilots have a lot more complaints than those at Endeavor, SkyWest, Republic; just my own observation. Plus the whole contract issue at Envoy last year with AA stepping in seems a little iffy.

rld1k 02-19-2020 08:57 PM

Comparing hourly rates is pointless when take home is vastly different. 4 days worth 12-18 hours. Contract is bad. I've seen paychecks of republic and skywest peers, they make substantially more with less work. If you go down to 8 days off working OT you can make what republic does with 14+days off

Cyio 02-20-2020 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2980113)
Comparing hourly rates is pointless when take home is vastly different. 4 days worth 12-18 hours. Contract is bad. I've seen paychecks of republic and skywest peers, they make substantially more with less work. If you go down to 8 days off working OT you can make what republic does with 14+days off

This right here.

LoneStar32 02-21-2020 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by pad39a (Post 2979321)
I’ve been happy at Endeavor overall and I have friends who have been happy at Republic. Endeavor has generally good premium pay rules; Republic will pay you for Super Bowl Sunday just because. Upgrade times are probably similar now but Endeavor’s will likely be decreasing soon.

Do you have specific questions?

Endeavor still have year plus long reserve times where FOs are only flying 20 hours a month?

LoneStar32 02-21-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by 3400 (Post 2980080)
Envoy FO’s start out making $5/hr more than Republic right now.

Year 3 seniority CA pay is what you should be looking at when comparing pay. That is when the money starts rolling since most Regionals upgrade by 2 years now. Makes those small pay differences as an FO irrelevant.

GHawk 02-21-2020 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 2980932)
Year 3 seniority CA pay is what you should be looking at when comparing pay. That is when the money starts rolling since most Regionals upgrade by 2 years now. Makes those small pay differences as an FO irrelevant.

Absolutely. I've also found a very strong correlation between big bonuses and lackluster captain pay rates.

KelvinHelmholtz 02-21-2020 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 2980928)
Endeavor still have year plus long reserve times where FOs are only flying 20 hours a month?

I dont think anyone was ever sitting reserve for over a year, except maybe a few in MSP. There is plenty of flying going around and 9E is quickly becoming understaffed due to attrition and low hiring numbers.

NoYoureOnGuard 02-21-2020 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 2981013)
I dont think anyone was ever sitting reserve for over a year, except maybe a few in MSP. There is plenty of flying going around and 9E is quickly becoming understaffed due to attrition and low hiring numbers.

That's false on the reserve part. ATL 900 junior lineholder for March is a Nov. 18 hire, and that's mostly because so many folks are bidding down to reserve. I think the plug in ATL is a Jan. 19 hire. Correct on the understaffed. I've been used nearly every day on RSV and blocked about 55 hours this month with a few pick-ups.

LoneStar32 02-21-2020 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 2981013)
I dont think anyone was ever sitting reserve for over a year, except maybe a few in MSP. There is plenty of flying going around and 9E is quickly becoming understaffed due to attrition and low hiring numbers.

so Endeavor is no longer begging people to take unpaid leave of absences?

Green Needles 02-21-2020 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 2981193)
so Endeavor is no longer begging people to take unpaid leave of absences?

Quite the contrary, welcome to min days off, uncommutable trips and no QOL.


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