Scope... It’s time?
04-20-2020, 04:59 PM
#172
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Some, maybe a lot, of RJ flying wouldn't work at mainline for economic reasons.
But even mainline wouldn't want FO wages less than $80-90... they still need to recruit military pilots who are coming from a solid six-figure income after you account for all allowances, bonuses, etc.
Maybe they could hire on two tracks: entry-level and professional (1000 TPIC, mil or 121). Entry-level would stay on RJ's, upgrade there, get 1000 TPIC and then be released to bid larger equipment. Professional hires might get assigned anything, including RJ's but could bid off as soon as they can hold it and the seatlock is up. But everybody has a number from day one.
But even mainline wouldn't want FO wages less than $80-90... they still need to recruit military pilots who are coming from a solid six-figure income after you account for all allowances, bonuses, etc.
Maybe they could hire on two tracks: entry-level and professional (1000 TPIC, mil or 121). Entry-level would stay on RJ's, upgrade there, get 1000 TPIC and then be released to bid larger equipment. Professional hires might get assigned anything, including RJ's but could bid off as soon as they can hold it and the seatlock is up. But everybody has a number from day one.
IMO if DL brought all the CRJ-700/900s and E175s to mainline and paid them the rates we currently have it would have this effect. for year 2-4 being a RJ CA would give the most $$$. after that is is most $ effective to go to a 737 or a320 as an FO. not sure what UAL/AAL pay scales look like for RJs.
EDIT
I think in a perfect world we would have mainline fly the large RJs at a rate somewhere in between 757/767FO and WB FO (like DLs rate for an E195).
Last edited by Gone Flying; 04-20-2020 at 05:09 PM.
04-21-2020, 10:41 PM
#173
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
How many fatal accidents in the last 10 years for the regionals?
How many fatal accidents has the military given in the last 10 years?
Which one is the professional despite more loss of life?
How many fatal accidents has the military given in the last 10 years?
Which one is the professional despite more loss of life?
Comparing apples to lawnmowers, my friend.
I fly for the Regionals and the AF, concurrently, and the differences in both the difficulty of the training programs and operational "missions" is night and day... And, yes, the accepted level of risk is much, MUCH higher on the Mil side.
Now, all that being said, I'm definitely not saying Civ flying is EASY, and I thoroughly enjoy both types of flying, for different reasons.
04-22-2020, 05:37 AM
#174
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Originally Posted by soitgoes
Comparing apples to lawnmowers, my friend.
I fly for the Regionals and the AF, concurrently, and the differences in both the difficulty of the training programs and operational "missions" is night and day... And, yes, the accepted level of risk is much, MUCH higher on the Mil side.
Now, all that being said, I'm definitely not saying Civ flying is EASY, and I thoroughly enjoy both types of flying, for different reasons.
I fly for the Regionals and the AF, concurrently, and the differences in both the difficulty of the training programs and operational "missions" is night and day... And, yes, the accepted level of risk is much, MUCH higher on the Mil side.
Now, all that being said, I'm definitely not saying Civ flying is EASY, and I thoroughly enjoy both types of flying, for different reasons.
04-22-2020, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ciceda
meh, I wouldn't go that far. There is a lot of "looking the other way" in military aviation when it comes to poor pilots and rule breaking. The mentality is that their "wingman" or teammates will pick up the slack.
I don't agree and haven't experienced that myself, but that's fine.
To be clear, I'm certainly not saying that military aviators are superior simply because they passed a specific program and are flying a certain mission. I have flown and trained with several guys on the regional side that I am confident would have done very well in UPT, just like I have flown with a few military guys who think they're hot **** for no real reason.
But the inherent disparity in the difficulty of the training programs and the "mission", as I said, cannot be overlooked or overstated.
Anyway... Give us seniority numbers already!
04-22-2020, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ciceda
meh, I wouldn't go that far. There is a lot of "looking the other way" in military aviation when it comes to poor pilots and rule breaking. The mentality is that their "wingman" or teammates will pick up the slack.
04-22-2020, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Both joined October 2019, you seem like the type to spell cicada wrong too. hmmmm...
Still mad that Republic turned you down I see.
04-22-2020, 10:51 AM
#179
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
Yep, you got me. That is a very rare phrase that nobody else uses. I am also all the IDs that use other rare phrases such as "get your apps in" and the recent "full pay to the last day".
Still mad that Republic turned you down I see.
Still mad that Republic turned you down I see.
Last edited by sanicom3205; 04-22-2020 at 11:18 AM.
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