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Old 03-12-2020, 07:30 AM
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Default Scope... It’s time?

Given what’s happening to the industry right now (mainline shrinking and soon to follow the regionals exploding growth), it’s a great time to address bottom end scope and protect some mainline jobs.

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Given what’s happening to the industry right now (mainline shrinking and soon to follow the regionals exploding growth), it’s a great time to address bottom end scope and protect some mainline jobs.

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It has nothing to with regional pilots, why post it here?

If mainline wants bottom end scope WE need to make that happen on our end. I would be in favor of a requirement that ALL outsourcing be shut down before ANY mainline pilots are furloughed.

If they need to keep some RJ's, they bring them to mainline for the duration.
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This is when management has all the leverage. We lost $300 million this month. Give in on scope or take a pay cut.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
It has nothing to with regional pilots, why post it here?

If mainline wants bottom end scope WE need to make that happen on our end. I would be in favor of a requirement that ALL outsourcing be shut down before ANY mainline pilots are furloughed.

If they need to keep some RJ's, they bring them to mainline for the duration.
Your right, can you relocate it to the proper section?
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I would be in favor of a requirement that ALL outsourcing be shut down before ANY mainline pilots are furloughed.



If they need to keep some RJ's, they bring them to mainline for the duration.
Does that make financial business sense? How many pilots are going you have to be trained? Pay rates negotiated or do the guys/gals displaced from larger airframes paid their current rates? Who is gonna do the training? New Ops specs and procedures written? Etc.
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Does that make financial business sense? How many pilots are going you have to be trained? Pay rates negotiated or do the guys/gals displaced from larger airframes paid their current rates? Who is gonna do the training? New Ops specs and procedures written? Etc.
Financial sense? It would make financial sense to give up 50% of our pay. But we're not negotiating for financial sense.

There are probably better bang-for-buck uses of negotiating capital than RJ elimination or flow-back, although right now flow-back is looking pretty good to some folks.
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Feed contracts are being shredded at the present, something about “act-of-God”.
Anythings possible, this might be the opportune time for mainline groups to capture the airplanes and flying?
One other thing that would concern me if I were at x Legacy is the LCC’s like Spirit who are going to charge full speed ahead and capture markets with the legacy draw down.
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Feed contracts are being shredded at the present, something about “act-of-God”.
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Rumor from a senior SIM type.
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