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Old 03-28-2020, 08:14 AM
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Default College degree and 1000 PIC gold again.

Don’t have a degree, go to school and sit this out. Enjoy college, it’s fun. Don’t have 1000 PIC, work on that. Both these will be gold whenever anyone starts to hire again. Took a short cut and don’t have one or both?, start working on this. Industry reset, party is over and majors will be 2010 requirements/preferred exp. Good luck. Have both? Congrats and welcome back to the front of the line! These events in our industry happen a couple times a career, use this time off to make yourself a more desired candidate.
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Old 03-28-2020, 08:18 AM
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and "get a degree in something useful"

BA in Runway Safety probably not it...
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Old 03-28-2020, 08:58 AM
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Colleges are all closed except for online. And if you’re not a Capt now, how are you going to get PIC? Everyone is talking about downsizing.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:47 AM
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I think moving forward college degrees will become less important across many fields. Get one if you want one and don’t mind the insane debt. Get one if you can manage the workload of paying out of pocket while working full time. You certainly don’t need one to make a good living.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:50 AM
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I think moving forward college degrees will become less important across many fields. Get one if you want one and don’t mind the insane debt. Get one if you can manage the workload of paying out of pocket while working full time. You certainly don’t need one to make a good living.
I second this.
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There is a work-around on PIC.

Get some turbine PIC in anything (1000 hours preferred, 1500 if possible). TPIC in a 'van, etc will not get you a top-tier job.

But combine that with some 121 glass jet SIC and it might do the trick. So if you're a junior regional FO and hitting the streets anyway, I'd look to places like Empire, etc.

135/91 TPIC + regional SIC is better than no PIC, and allows to at least apply to any airline which has a PIC requirement (that may be coming back for a few years).
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I think moving forward college degrees will become less important across many fields. Get one if you want one and don’t mind the insane debt. Get one if you can manage the workload of paying out of pocket while working full time. You certainly don’t need one to make a good living.
I think that society places too much emphasis on a college degree. If you’re going to into law, engineering, or medical school, it provides an essential foundation for more advanced training. If you are going into sales, service, or any of the trades it just isn’t worth the money. Vocational schools provide excellent training. The legacy carriers still think that it’s a big deal though, so if you want to work for them, use this down time to make sure that you can check that box. None of them will be hiring for several years now anyway, so you have the time.
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Old 03-28-2020, 11:20 AM
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Dumbest post of the year so far? College is whatever, you need it to work at United don’t need it to find a job. 1000 pic? Everyone is downsizing and going to furlough.
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Originally Posted by Itsajob View Post
I think that society places too much emphasis on a college degree. If you’re going to into law, engineering, or medical school, it provides an essential foundation for more advanced training. If you are going into sales, service, or any of the trades it just isn’t worth the money. Vocational schools provide excellent training. The legacy carriers still think that it’s a big deal though, so if you want to work for them, use this down time to make sure that you can check that box. None of them will be hiring for several years now anyway, so you have the time.
Yea I mean, I’d argue that money spent on college could be better spent on investment real estate or other ventures. The downturn we’re about to experience will bring a lot of opportunity for those of us that are ready for it. Just like it’s done the past couple times. I’m looking at investment properties and businesses opportunities in the next 12-18 months. Plus, I’m personally not even sure I want to work for a legacy...

The legacy business model is heavily reliant on corporate travel and international travel. I think in the short term that international travel is obviously going to take a hit and long-term there will be far less businesses sending their employees traveling. Every 10 years something seems to happen to the legacies. Maybe they pay the most because they are much more prone to the boom and bust. I’d rather have a job making less every year but with a business model that is less susceptible to the whims of wall street or some guy in China eating a bat for lunch.
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I think that society places too much emphasis on a college degree. If you’re going to into law, engineering, or medical school, it provides an essential foundation for more advanced training. If you are going into sales, service, or any of the trades it just isn’t worth the money. Vocational schools provide excellent training. The legacy carriers still think that it’s a big deal though, so if you want to work for them, use this down time to make sure that you can check that box. None of them will be hiring for several years now anyway, so you have the time.
I think the last month has shown that you can’t make yourself too competitive for a job or too diversified in your job options.
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