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hassan60665 05-19-2007 07:53 AM

Best and Worst
 
Name some airports with the best and worst lit runways at night.

rickair7777 05-19-2007 11:27 AM

Runway lighting is standardized, so if a 121 operator can go there, it should be adequate. You (or the tower) can adjust the intensity of the runway/ALS lights as needed.

Taxiway lighting is more likely to be an issue (taxiway lights can be weak or NOTAMed OOS but the taxiway can still be used I think). The complexity of the airport layout is what really creates confusion (ORD, DFW, LAX)

Seatownflyer 05-19-2007 11:38 AM

Vashon municipal! Worst.

TwotterDriver 05-19-2007 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 167985)
Runway lighting is standardized, so if a 121 operator can go there, it should be adequate. You (or the tower) can adjust the intensity of the runway/ALS lights as needed.

Not at Bakersfield, BFL. We fly 121 ops there. Almost landed wrong runway TWICE!

VFR runway is MUCH brighter than long runway. With the 3-5sm vis at night, it can be 'sporting'. Called tower to complain, they say the county controls the lights and have the short runway set to a fixed (bright) intensity. The tower wanted more complaints like mine to take to the county for ammo.

Yea, airport politics.

Cubdriver 05-19-2007 02:43 PM

age of gps
 
An airport can notam its out of service beacon in a heartbeat, and runway lights are yet another issue if you can't find the airport. I am amazed the way some airports can be so nonchalant about their beacons. One of them decided to block off 20 degrees with a metal plate along a vfr corridor saying it annoyed the tower, and one let the beacon break down for over a year supposedly waiting on parts. My conclusion is, beacons are not used seriously enough anymore to count on them. One had better have gps!

You have to respect those who flew in the days before gps or loran. I think pilots were more aware of what was going on in those days and had a sixth sense for how to find things. I wasn't around but I would hope the present lackadaisical attitude towards beacons goes with the age of gps.

Ewfflyer 05-19-2007 07:05 PM

I have GPS, but use the beacon to call the field. It does help with awareness in the terminal environment. Anyways, I think most of the large "Bravo" airports in VMC nights have bad lighting because of the ambient light polution of the surrounding area, and the low-light settings for the landing runways. It's economical as it can be to keep'm low as possible if you don't need them. If you want them brighter, shouldn't be afraid to ask either.

Now as far as hardest airport to find at night, I'd vote MDW. When I fly in there, I'm coming from the east-southeast, so that angle it's rather difficult to find it. I have no problem now, but the first few weeks it took awhile to really get a good bearing on it's exact location in the sea of lights.

ExperimentalAB 05-19-2007 08:54 PM

The only way to find an airport in a metropolitan area is to aim the nose at the darkest area you can see LoL

kansas 05-19-2007 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by Ewfflyer (Post 168140)
I have GPS, but use the beacon to call the field. It does help with awareness in the terminal environment. Anyways, I think most of the large "Bravo" airports in VMC nights have bad lighting because of the ambient light polution of the surrounding area, and the low-light settings for the landing runways. It's economical as it can be to keep'm low as possible if you don't need them. If you want them brighter, shouldn't be afraid to ask either.

For those of us without GPS, beacons are a God-sent, at times, as well.:D

crjav8er 05-20-2007 04:54 AM

Calgary. No centerline or touchdown lights. Taxiways are poorly lit as well.

Check 6 05-20-2007 09:34 AM

EWR at night....Multiple taxiways that chang names as you go....hard to see lights at night, especially in the rain....Hate that place.

And it ain't any better during day VFR!

SharkAir 05-20-2007 07:36 PM

SAN is pretty good if you ask me. There's only one runway so it's not too hard.

Da Magic 02-23-2010 12:29 PM

Well the pavement in DCA is horrible

Washout 02-23-2010 12:48 PM

LGB. Pain in the ass to find if you're coming from Catalina on the arrival at night while dodging Cessnas. Not to mention the construction and multiple runways etc...

RAH RAH REE 02-23-2010 02:36 PM

Hilton Head is actually impossible to see until lined up within 20 degs of final. The local chamber of commerce or somebody refuses to let the airport boundry be extended farther than like 3 inches from the runway edge. Which has 40 foot trees along it.

Dougdrvr 02-23-2010 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 168191)
The only way to find an airport in a metropolitan area is to aim the nose at the darkest area you can see LoL

Works great at Midway.......

flynwmn 02-23-2010 04:21 PM

salisbury sucked well the beacon was out

piper338 02-23-2010 04:26 PM

way to bring back an old thread... I didn't go to SBY much but it was kinda hard to find on one of my ferry flights into there...

HVN sucked as well for awhile.

freezingflyboy 02-23-2010 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Check 6 (Post 168362)
EWR at night....Multiple taxiways that chang names as you go....hard to see lights at night, especially in the rain....Hate that place.

And it ain't any better during day VFR!

I'll second Newark. That place is rough at night especially if there's rain. Lots of snow? Fugedaboutit! I mean, taxiway lights! C'mon! A lousy taxiway light! It takes 4 guys from the Port Authority to change a men's room sign sign but we can't install some taxiway lights? Get out of here!

Ok. End rant.

Disclaimer: I'm an XJT guy and spend about 1/4 to 1/2 of each month going in and out of EWR and I still get tripped up sometimes.

piper338 02-23-2010 04:48 PM

While at PDT I only flew into EWR a few times, I heard horror stories from other crews. However when I was there it was in and out, once we were on the ground I got "Taxi to parking with me." from the tower.

Only thing I didn't like was that at the time the people handling our ground service had no clue how to load or fuel the dash and I had to show them and send the paper work back twice.

AviatorAl04 02-23-2010 08:19 PM

If you go to Duluth, MN - just look for the big white empty hangar - you'll never miss the airport :)

FlyJSH 02-23-2010 11:30 PM

El Infiernito, Baja California. Lit with smudge pots (kinda like oil lamps) along the edges of the runway.

map el infiernito baja california - Google Maps
(Zoom WAY in, about three miles north of the maker is the "airport")

ohboyeightyone 02-24-2010 04:06 AM

I look for the giant dark N thats planted in the middle of the city!

sinsilvia666 02-24-2010 11:35 AM

baltimores 32 is tricky to see coming in from anywhere from the directions of northwest to southeast !

buffalo also hard to see airport anytime at night any direction

burlington, norfolk, burke lakefront, flaggler florida, columbus, some other tricky ones


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