View Poll Results: How do you want to furlough?
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Poll: Furlough Options
04-21-2020, 09:53 AM
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Poll: Furlough Options
Company comes to you and says, "we have to cut pilot costs by 1/3 from monthly guarantee. We have three options, which do you pick?".
Note: The larger the furlough numbers = larger down grades. ie guarantee but at FO rates.
Note: The larger the furlough numbers = larger down grades. ie guarantee but at FO rates.
04-21-2020, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
The company forgot to tell you that, in three months, they'll furlough 33% of the company anyway.
04-21-2020, 11:01 AM
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The real kicker is to believe we have any say in the matter. Regional unions, at least from my experience only give the perception of choice. The company already knows what it will accept and let’s the union feel like they earned it. Keeps the wheels greased.
04-21-2020, 11:27 AM
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Full pay (rate) till the last day. I don't think guarantees or average line values are pay rates though and would entertain a lower guarantee, 50 hour leaves, and the ability to straight drop trips/reserve days below guarantee. Lower guarantee is self correcting even without a snap back provision, because it decreases pilot productivity. In any sort of recovery every company will be begging for higher line values.
04-21-2020, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by terks43
Interesting to see how many “union employees” are willing to throw their more junior coworkers under the bus in order to keep their paycheck where it is. #screwtheyoungerguysgivememymoney
04-21-2020, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by terks43
Interesting to see how many “union employees” are willing to throw their more junior coworkers under the bus in order to keep their paycheck where it is. #screwtheyoungerguysgivememymoney
There are good reasons and bad.
Originally Posted by UnbeatenPath
If we give concessions it'll take a decade to get the pay back plus they'll furlough anyway
The only safe way to help out is to take a voluntary INDIVIDUAL LOA or IL.
Now with all that said, I think people who pick up OT while people are on the street are scum, but nothing you can do about if it's in the contract. At least until the BK judge gets done with it.
04-21-2020, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Always been that way, always will be.
There are good reasons and bad.
This is the good reason, learned the hard way the last time around. They'll take your concessions now, enter BK next year, take even more "concessions", and furlough who they want to anyway.
The only safe way to help out is to take a voluntary INDIVIDUAL LOA or IL.
Now with all that said, I think people who pick up OT while people are on the street are scum, but nothing you can do about if it's in the contract. At least until the BK judge gets done with it.
There are good reasons and bad.
This is the good reason, learned the hard way the last time around. They'll take your concessions now, enter BK next year, take even more "concessions", and furlough who they want to anyway.
The only safe way to help out is to take a voluntary INDIVIDUAL LOA or IL.
Now with all that said, I think people who pick up OT while people are on the street are scum, but nothing you can do about if it's in the contract. At least until the BK judge gets done with it.
It drives me crazy that the pilot groups are always the ones bailing out the company. Why does that always have to be the first knob they turn? My guess would be that traditionally it has always worked.
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