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ftrpilot 05-23-2007 06:46 PM

E-170 Er
 
http://stocks.usatoday.com/custom/us...69E34B54794%7D


NWA the new launch customer for the ER. Im sure other will folow suite.....

:rolleyes:

crimson tide 05-23-2007 06:59 PM

These the new compass jets?

ftrpilot 05-23-2007 07:38 PM

would assume so but you know what happens when you assume. I wonder would delta want shuttle america to get the up-grade to put them on some longer thin routes?????

JoeyMeatballs 05-24-2007 05:00 AM

too bad they didnt go to MAINLINE

saab2000 05-24-2007 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 170169)
too bad they didnt go to MAINLINE

Word.

I don't know the solution to the larger and larger "Regional" jets, but the genie has been let out of the bottle and now it won't go back in. Other than demanding their flying back in the next rounds of contract negotiations I don't know what can be done to stop the ever larger jets from being outsourced to contracters.

cbire880 05-24-2007 07:03 AM

Same thing is happening to the guys building the big airplanes. More and more they are becoming "systems integrators." Eventually, the big guys won't know how to build an airplane (or run an airline in this case) and the former small contractors will supplant them. Sooner or later, they will want in on the big profits that the majors were making.

Ftrooppilot 05-24-2007 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 170169)
too bad they didnt go to MAINLINE

Is there a definition (with respect to seats) of "mainline?" OR Is there a satement somewhere that says that National or Major airlines are entitled to operate aircraft with more then ** seats?


The following define airline according to revenue. Note that large REGIONALS operate aircraft that "can accommodate more then 60 passengers;" there is no upper limitation.
  • Major airlines - A major airline is defined as an airline that generates more than $1-billion in revenue annually.
  • National airlines - are scheduled airlines with annual operating revenues between $100-million and $1-billion.
  • Regional airlines - service particular regions of the United States, filling the niche markets that the major and national airlines may overlook. Regionals are divided into three subgroups:
  •  
    • Large regionals - These are scheduled carriers with $20-million to $100-million in annual revenue. They operate aircraft that can accommodate more than 60 passengers.
    • Medium regionals - These airlines operate on a smaller scale, with operating revenues of under $20-million, and often use only small aircraft.
    • Small regionals - These airlines don't have a set revenue definition, but are usually referred to as "commuter airlines." They use small aircraft with less than 61 seats.

JoeyMeatballs 05-24-2007 08:06 AM

a "non-express" carrier, or a feed airline................., if 170's come to our Branded flying, I am all for it, however if CAL was to have CHQ fly the 170's I would be disappointed as should everybody that would like to move on to a Mainline job................the more 170's/Crj900's the less potential jobs there are at the mainline level..............

saab2000 05-24-2007 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 170231)
Is there a definition (with respect to seats) of "mainline?" OR Is there a satement somewhere that says that National or Major airlines are entitled to operate aircraft with more then ** seats?


The following define airline according to revenue. Note that large REGIONALS operate aircraft that "can accommodate more then 60 passengers;" there is no upper limitation.
  • Major airlines - A major airline is defined as an airline that generates more than $1-billion in revenue annually.
  • National airlines - are scheduled airlines with annual operating revenues between $100-million and $1-billion.
  • Regional airlines - service particular regions of the United States, filling the niche markets that the major and national airlines may overlook. Regionals are divided into three subgroups:
  •  
    • Large regionals - These are scheduled carriers with $20-million to $100-million in annual revenue. They operate aircraft that can accommodate more than 60 passengers.
    • Medium regionals - These airlines operate on a smaller scale, with operating revenues of under $20-million, and often use only small aircraft.
    • Small regionals - These airlines don't have a set revenue definition, but are usually referred to as "commuter airlines." They use small aircraft with less than 61 seats.

So-called "regional" airlines are contractors to other carriers, be they United or Midwest or whomever deems it necessary to have someone else fly under their brand name. Most pilots who work for contract carriers would like to work for the contracting carrier someday.

That is why this matters. Has nothing to do with revenue or seats or anything else.

For example - Midwest Airlines contracts Skywest to fly under the Midwest Connect brand name out of MKE. Skywest is a "Regional" carrier, but is larger by far than Midwest.

Working for an airline that markets itself is the goal of most pilots.


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