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Old 07-03-2020, 07:29 AM
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Good point. Theft and dishonesty will get you immediately fired at most airlines.
Unless you're in upper management.
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Old 07-03-2020, 11:25 AM
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Is it possible to do this in normal- non pilot shortage- times?

Saying I don't really care about money would it be possible to do a two day trips and some day trips each month and drop the rest?
We can’t drop trips at SWA. We can give them away though. We also have day trips, two, three, and four day trips.
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Old 07-03-2020, 11:51 AM
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ipa’s I’m guessing! Not miller lights.
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If you love to fly, you don’t have to do 121! I’m here (again) because my wife makes coin so I had nothing to lose. No freaking way I do this as breadwinner. I feel terrible for the young guys who got married, wife quit her gig, and a kiddo came along. God forbid they bought a house. What could go wrong? Besides terrorism. Consolidation. Age 65. Lehman Brothers. Virus. Bankruptcy. If you are that guy, blue-collar airline pilots survive well and prosper. Running a track hoe or skiddy in the lean times and landing a jet in the fat is an awesome life.
running a track hoe?? Are you suggesting pimping as side gig ??
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Old 07-03-2020, 12:28 PM
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I'll go a step further: treat this "career" like a part-time gig and you'll likely sleep better at night.
I agree wholeheartedly. Although when I posted that sentiment before this Corona debacle, all kinds of mainline guys jumped all over me, accusing me of 'not taking your duty seriously' and 'being unsafe and unprofessional" simply because I dared suggest that maybe one should not put all of one's financial eggs in the 121 basket, as it were.
Apparently daring to have a second job outside flying will lead me to drive an airplane into the ground, or something.

They've changed their tune these days...

(of course, these were the same guys boasting about how they only do two 4-day Asia trips a month and that they haven't touched an actual flight control in months...)
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:12 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly. Although when I posted that sentiment before this Corona debacle, all kinds of mainline guys jumped all over me, accusing me of 'not taking your duty seriously' and 'being unsafe and unprofessional" simply because I dared suggest that maybe one should not put all of one's financial eggs in the 121 basket, as it were.
Apparently daring to have a second job outside flying will lead me to drive an airplane into the ground, or something.

They've changed their tune these days...

(of course, these were the same guys boasting about how they only do two 4-day Asia trips a month and that they haven't touched an actual flight control in months...)

Yeah....Im beginning to realise that I have a career elsewhere.....and flying is the side gig. So strange when you put so much effort and money into the sidegig. Glad my wife still thinks Im a piano player in a ***** house.
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
I agree wholeheartedly. Although when I posted that sentiment before this Corona debacle, all kinds of mainline guys jumped all over me, accusing me of 'not taking your duty seriously' and 'being unsafe and unprofessional" simply because I dared suggest that maybe one should not put all of one's financial eggs in the 121 basket, as it were.
Apparently daring to have a second job outside flying will lead me to drive an airplane into the ground, or something.

They've changed their tune these days...

(of course, these were the same guys boasting about how they only do two 4-day Asia trips a month and that they haven't touched an actual flight control in months...)
You’re a great example of this since you’re a small businesses owner and pilot. But I think it’s even more important for young guys who have wanted to be airline pilots since they were kids and are not becoming pilots as a second career like so many were doing before COVID. I have part time work that I’m basically turning into full time, while also still being able to fly. I love airplanes, but not so much the airline pilot career and lifestyle.
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Old 07-03-2020, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat View Post
Yeah....Im beginning to realise that I have a career elsewhere.....and flying is the side gig. So strange when you put so much effort and money into the sidegig. Glad my wife still thinks Im a piano player in a ***** house.
Yeah. A lot of people thought the same after 9/11 and into the Lost Decade. I remember hearing Sully telling Congress in his statement on pilot pay and working conditions that after UsAir started recalling pilots from furlough, something like 60% refused to come back.

Since the airlines were doing great and pilot pay was increasing, I think people started to forget about the bad times.
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Old 07-03-2020, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d View Post
We can’t drop trips at SWA. We can give them away though.
Isn't that a distinction without difference for an overstaffed airline?
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Old 07-03-2020, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 123494 View Post
Yeah. A lot of people thought the same after 9/11 and into the Lost Decade. I remember hearing Sully telling Congress in his statement on pilot pay and working conditions that after UsAir started recalling pilots from furlough, something like 60% refused to come back.

Since the airlines were doing great and pilot pay was increasing, I think people started to forget about the bad times.
I really wonder how this is going to effect future pilot supply.

The young pup deciding not to get into it at all.

The young person pulling out of their training now and never finishing.

The 32 year old who just did 9 years in a regional only to be left behind the wave after her regional goes out of business........but has finished their degree and is marketable elsewhere.

The 41 year old mil guy who dipped his toe, got burnt and then went back to service.....or onto bigger and better things.

The 50 year old that has just 'had enough' after finally leaving a regional only to be the first to be furloughed in his new major gig.

The 55 year old who convinced his wife it was a great idea to leave his well paying job as an accountant to go to a regional to chase his dream........only to be furloughed.....

The 62 year old who is offered an early out....

Those demographics all add up.
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Don't count on furlough pay anymore. The company is claiming Force Majeure.
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