Regionals Still Recruiting
 

My college is hosting a career day in November, and three regionals are bringing their recruiters and recruiting toys: Endeavor, Republic, and PSA.

In this environment, especially with 700 furloughs at PSA, I’m dumbfounded that money is being spent on recruiting.

They still have to build relationships. The recruitment employees are still on the payroll. The tickets cost next to nothing. They already had all the supplies. That leaves get the rental car. It costs next to nothing to continue building relationships with college kids when the majority won’t be ready in the next 12 months.

Its a tax write-off and it keeps their pipeline fresh

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I can only imagine the lipstick that’s getting smeared all over that pig.

10 years to upgrade, 20 years to flow. It sells itself.

So ask them that. Ask them what their priorities are moving forward. Do your research, ask Republic why anyone should chose them when they can’t seem to protect the flying they do and have to close bases and move further east. Ask PSA why they’re spending money on recruiting future pilots while they have furloughed pilots on the street. You’re interviewing them, too. You’re allowed to ask the recruiters these questions.

I mean, I’m already at a regional so I probably won’t go. But if I was one of the 700 furloughed Blue Streakers that was told that I was too expensive to keep on property, and then the company went and spent money (no matter the amount) to lure in new hires, I’d be a little peeved.

In this climate I wouldn't, if you're actively looking for a regional job. They are going to be able to be selective for a while, and CFI's who throw darts at big-picture business strategy won't get on the short list. You can ask about anticipated upgrade times, pool time, etc.

Some regionals seem to feel that the entry-level pilot shortage will pick back up sooner rather than later, and they're probably correct. Regionals historically recover faster than mainline, and a lot of people considering or currently in the training pipeline have bailed permanently.

This is probably the worst advice I’ve read on here.

They probably already had committed to and paid to attend the events prior to the Rona.


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+1

‘Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should’ applies here.

Lol. Sooner or later you’ll learn how not to act when in this “hiring” environment.

So recruits aren't allowed to ask questions that could potentially affect their careers and livelihood? Starting to feel like 2008 again when pilots were just "thankful to have a job"...

Not setting a great precedence.

My dad was in HR for a private business, non airline related. He was told to go interview on campus even when their recruitment goals were zero. Keep the foot in the door. Maintain relationships. Helped when they needed to hire a bunch the next year.

not sure what precedent you are arguing for, but even if thousands of pilots had not been put out of work and there were not limited job openings, ****ing off the person interviewing me does not seem wise.

Envoy had one of the most robust recruiting departments in the industry. Expect Envoy recruiters to be back on campuses interviewing future American Airlines pilots in the coming months. The department will be coming back to full strength and in the future I would likely suspect that the recruiting corps grows exponentially.

while 1600 at mainline and 700 at PSA are out on furlough.

how many pilots from envoy are on the street right now?

It's important to remember that Envoy isn't PSA.

assume the answer is bad. What makes you think a recruiter 1) knows the truth 2) would tell you

You’re a job applicant, not a stock analysr

Envoy also isn’t recruiting.

It’s supply and demand. Pre-COVID, you could do that because the companies were begging for you to work there. Now you (we) are the ones begging. With literally thousands of other (more) qualified applicants, it’s best not to sound Ike you’re interviewing them.

One should be thankful to have a job. But one should not sacrifice the gains of the last decade for the sake of that job.

Yea it’s pretty ridiculous. Those college kids paid all that cash at least they get a free RJ poster to put up and keychains.

With college recruiting events you are looking at recruiting new hires 2 - 5 years down the road when you take into account time building. So I guess they are still being optimistic that hiring will begin in that time frame. I am not that optimistic especially considering the disheartening news from the Big 4 about future bookings. We won't see hiring like we saw last year until sometime in the 2nd half of this decade.

What he said

Make sure to ask the Endeavor recruiters about the less than coin flip odds of success on the DGI. Make your best impression as if you were being interviewed, but don't be afraid to professionally ask tough questions. This is YOUR career. When we do start hiring again, pick a regional you won't mind being stuck at.

just remember the companies that rejected working with their pilot groups and furloughed pilots because they were trying to take advantage of a once in a lifetime (hopefully) catastrophe when you make your eventual employment decision. Good luck to you.

Fixed it for him.

assuming #1 is wise (debatable) what makes you think it helps inform #2

Asking tough questions of an airline recruiter is like asking for help solving a problem at the DMV. You'll get a smirk, followed by a blank stare, followed by some made up shtuff that isn't really an answer.

This is quite true. Recruiters know rumors similar to most line pilots. They can’t (shouldn’t) convey unsubstantiated rumors to recruits. They don’t know what moves management is doing anymore than anyone else. Although Envoy has done a nice job of selling a surreal flow time.

You ain't lying. They did a masterful job getting of getting a whole bunch of pilots to accept substandard working conditions and pay with the promise of unrealistic flow. The flaw in their timeline was assuming there would never be a downturn again. Easy to get naïve FO applicants to buy into that. The sad thing is that more senior people at Envoy were still pushing that narrative even though they knew better after a couple years in the industry. But they still pushed it hard, presumably to get people to come in underneath them to push their seniority up. Had to continue the false narrative to improve their working conditions through Seniority.

Thanks. I kinda figured I was not gonna get very far with him.

Things may be bad now, but when things improve and someone needs pilots again, who are they going to look for first? It's never the pilot with the most hours. It's important to maintain positive relationships with recruiters, friends, and colleagues, because whose going to be there for you when you want or need something.

I was stuck as a regional FO for many years and I definitely checked out because what was the point of trying with no one seemed to be for a long time. Well when things started booming again, I started calling my old mentors and many of them didn't really remember me. Things are pretty bleak now, but you never know who you might meet at these recruiting events. It just might help years later.

I really hate to say this
 

But, AA is on the verge of shutting down. I am NOT trying to be mean or hurt the AA employees. History repeats itself often in this Godforsaken business. Have a look at my user name, then Eastern, Pan Am and many others. With AA goes a number of regionals as well. AA has too much debt and is already bankrupt for the most part. It's sad really but it's not like it wasn't bound to happen again. The thinking is that one of the biggies has to go so the others can survive and SWA is already circling the carcass. My advice is to get away from the airline business because it'll be 5 plus years. Sept 11th was like 10 years before things go back to normal and hiring resumed. A Gubment bailout is just dragging things out and throwing money into a dirty pool. Try to get into a decent Fractional or part 91/135 company. No, it is not impossible.

Three years after 9/11 the passenger count was at new highs. Not saying AA won't be filing BK but the passengers will be back.

Go to the recruiting events! If you get on you'll have better travel benefits than furloughed pilots....

That's the kind of stuff that grinds my gears. I would love for a recruiter to be able to explain how cadets have D2 travel privilege's while those furloughed who worked for the company for years have retiree benefits. What a joke.

But but, THKooj said there is something big in the works and that DP is so smart he will save us all.

Joking aside, AA hiring on that new board member is ominous at best.

The only tool in DP's shed is buying other airlines. I don't think there are any of those left to purchase.

This is pretty alarmist, to be honest. Bankruptcy doesn't equate to shutting down. The odds of AA filing Chapter 7 are astronomical. Chapter 11 is likely, in my opinion, but there's a big gap between bankruptcy and insolvency.

Go away, old man.