CRJ drivers and Max pilot Xwind limitation
11-26-2020, 07:18 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by trip
^This^ Amazing how many struggle with a <15kt crosswinds the last few years, I think it stems from restrictions at large flight schools where the majority of training and experience is coming from nowadays.
11-26-2020, 07:21 AM
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No limitation for us..
manual says max demonstrated is 22 kts. However on recurrent training oral, instructor was adamant it was 27- even though our manual says 22. Just nodded and agreed. I think it’s higher demonstrated for the -700.
manual says max demonstrated is 22 kts. However on recurrent training oral, instructor was adamant it was 27- even though our manual says 22. Just nodded and agreed. I think it’s higher demonstrated for the -700.
11-26-2020, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
If that’s an issue, why don’t the airlines who hire them bring them up to speed? We were all the clueless new guy at one point, but we learned. Make every session in the sim a windy day and make everyone comfortable and competent in a strong crosswinds instead of the “standard” 10 knots. Training should be hard so that everything faced on the line is nothing new.
crosswinds in the sim! Good idea.
11-26-2020, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX
No limitation for us..
manual says max demonstrated is 22 kts. However on recurrent training oral, instructor was adamant it was 27- even though our manual says 22. Just nodded and agreed. I think it’s higher demonstrated for the -700.
manual says max demonstrated is 22 kts. However on recurrent training oral, instructor was adamant it was 27- even though our manual says 22. Just nodded and agreed. I think it’s higher demonstrated for the -700.
now its 35 for takeoff/32 for landing (NOT LIMITING)
27 for wet runway.
15 for slippery.
11-26-2020, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes!
I've done it at the limit and I wouldn't care to try it much above that unless I was out of gas or on fire.
Even if the "max demonstrated" wasn't technically a limit, if you go above it YOU'RE incurring all the liability... going to be hard to explain if you ding a wingtip.
I've done it at the limit and I wouldn't care to try it much above that unless I was out of gas or on fire.
Even if the "max demonstrated" wasn't technically a limit, if you go above it YOU'RE incurring all the liability... going to be hard to explain if you ding a wingtip.
Probably could pull it off if you just kept the wings where you would with a lower crosswind and accepted some downwind drift. Above 27 knots there’s a good chance you’ll hit the wingtip before you arrest the drift.
Last edited by DarkSideMoon; 11-26-2020 at 12:00 PM.
11-26-2020, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes!
I've done it at the limit and I wouldn't care to try it much above that unless I was out of gas or on fire.
Even if the "max demonstrated" wasn't technically a limit, if you go above it YOU'RE incurring all the liability... going to be hard to explain if you ding a wingtip.
I've done it at the limit and I wouldn't care to try it much above that unless I was out of gas or on fire.
Even if the "max demonstrated" wasn't technically a limit, if you go above it YOU'RE incurring all the liability... going to be hard to explain if you ding a wingtip.
11-26-2020, 01:52 PM
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I've done some close to max crosswind landings in the 7/9 and they were plenty spicey. Could I manage more than that? Probably, but I quite like having aircraft mins that I know I can reliably land with, so that when things start going beyond what I'm confident with the company can't pressure me to carry on regardless.
Can't be compelled to operate a flight into conditions the plane isn't certified for 😎
Captain can always say no of course, but we all know that generally leads to a fun meeting with the chiefs to discuss your competency.
Can't be compelled to operate a flight into conditions the plane isn't certified for 😎
Captain can always say no of course, but we all know that generally leads to a fun meeting with the chiefs to discuss your competency.
11-26-2020, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by captive apple
The “new class” is largely weak on cross winds and other general pilot skills.
Hell, I'm still here alive and kicking. They must've been good enough right?!
