CRJ drivers and Max pilot Xwind limitation
11-26-2020, 03:37 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Hedley
If that’s an issue, why don’t the airlines who hire them bring them up to speed? We were all the clueless new guy at one point, but we learned. Make every session in the sim a windy day and make everyone comfortable and competent in a strong crosswinds instead of the “standard” 10 knots. Training should be hard so that everything faced on the line is nothing new.
11-26-2020, 05:31 PM
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The ACS mandates that checking be conducted at the max demonstrated crosswind. Manufacturers are aware of this and they are also painfully aware of liability. If I were the chief counsel at an aircraft manufacturer I would recommend they certify the aircraft at the lowest number possible. The marketing department might disagree but I suspect the lower numbers we are currently seeing are a response to liability concerns.
The airline can easily choose to not make the number limiting in the AOM. However, then the liability would shift to them.
The airline can easily choose to not make the number limiting in the AOM. However, then the liability would shift to them.
11-26-2020, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
The ACS mandates that checking be conducted at the max demonstrated crosswind. Manufacturers are aware of this and they are also painfully aware of liability. If I were the chief counsel at an aircraft manufacturer I would recommend they certify the aircraft at the lowest number possible. The marketing department might disagree but I suspect the lower numbers we are currently seeing are a response to liability concerns.
11-26-2020, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
If that’s an issue, why don’t the airlines who hire them bring them up to speed? We were all the clueless new guy at one point, but we learned. Make every session in the sim a windy day and make everyone comfortable and competent in a strong crosswinds instead of the “standard” 10 knots. Training should be hard so that everything faced on the line is nothing new.
11-27-2020, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FAR121
The max demo x-wind is honestly the max amount of crosswind they got on crosswind test day
11-27-2020, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by greenroute
Well maybe it’s a coincidence, but it’s also where the 200 is completely out of rudder if you don’t want to land side-loded.
11-27-2020, 10:23 AM
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The goal of 121 training is to be approved by the FAA and for the student to pass a check ride. It really has no bearing on Line operations. The system is not, at all, set up to teach things that pilots should already know about airplanes or should learn about airliners.
11-27-2020, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
The goal of 121 training is to be approved by the FAA and for the student to pass a check ride. It really has no bearing on Line operations. The system is not, at all, set up to teach things that pilots should already know about airplanes or should learn about airliners.
11-27-2020, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sperrysan
What are you blathering about? The airline teaches you how to operate the aircraft then you are tested that you can safely operate it. I know you think you were Sully Hoover when you you first walked in a airliner, but you too had things to learn and areas to improve on .
