Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3244722)

“Doing away with business travel” is a straw man that’s easy to knock down. The real threat? An 8% reduction in business travel with corporate investment in telepresence.

will people who work on commission stop travelling? No.

will a 737 load of Fortune 100 compliance workers fly to omaha for an update on changes to the 2023 omnibus widget act, maybe not

Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3245221)

Whatever numbers you use, it doesn’t take anywhere near ALL business travel ceasing to hurt.

Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3239154)

Wages rise based on supply and demand. Companies raise wages when they aren’t getting what they need. So we shall see.

Originally Posted by cfii2007 (Post 3245548)

My local Walmart is hiring with wages starting at $15 per hour...............

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3245557)

Has the fed stopped paying people to stay home?

Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 3242374)

I see what you're saying, but my point was that there'll be a real bottle neck in a few years to get from 250ish to 1,500 hours. Most CPLs with 121 aspirations would probably prefer to fly pipeline, charter, 135 corporate in a Cirrus, etc, but the majority of jobs available for CPLs are as CFIs, so that's why so many people do it. CFIs typically cobble together their hours from #1-5, but that still requires a lot of people who won't make it to the airlines through what is currently the most popular avenue.

1) I think this number is fixed, regardless of airline demand

2) Same as #1

3) Sadly, this is currently how CFIs get most of their hours. Maybe more airline hopefuls would mean more washouts

4) This is a fixed number and just supplements CFI flying, if you want 1,500 hours in <10 years

5) Same as #4


Maybe the 'standard pathway' of the future will be buy a cheap 152, fly it for 1,000 hours for roughly $70k of gas and half an overhaul, then sell it to the next guy, but I digress. The issue is there won't be a huge change in the demand for CFI jobs. If more CFIs are needed to train new airline hopefuls, then what happens to the trainees when they get their ratings and a dozen of them are competing for the CFI job? Maybe a few fail out, one gets a pipeline job, but what about the other 8 guys?


Like I said, if this were my problem and I had the power to make decisions, I'd be lobbying the FAA for a quicker path to get pilots from CPL to ATP, because it's going to cause a shortage further down the logistics chain.

Originally Posted by tsimmns927 (Post 3245815)

This is exactly my plan. Buy a cheap, but safe plane. Go in with a buddy or two to save on cost, fly it in circles and build my hours. Honestly my goal is to get to a regional, but I can’t afford to go from a 90k a year job working contract maintenance on military aircraft to 20 bucks an hour with no guarantee of flying at all unless I have a student. I think more and more people according to a FB group I’m in are going this route also.

Originally Posted by tsimmns927 (Post 3245815)

This is exactly my plan. Buy a cheap, but safe plane. Go in with a buddy or two to save on cost, fly it in circles and build my hours. Honestly my goal is to get to a regional, but I can’t afford to go from a 90k a year job working contract maintenance on military aircraft to 20 bucks an hour with no guarantee of flying at all unless I have a student. I think more and more people according to a FB group I’m in are going this route also.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3245970)

With BFI training, almost unlimited sims and 100 hour IOE footprints, anything is possible as long as there is a good attitude and continuous progress.

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3246045)

No self-respecting professional should ever actually support a view like this. If you require 100 hours of IOE, you should be shown the door.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3245970)

When I was there (Xjt) we had a number of pilots who had their own planes. Some were young and built time while others were midlife career changers with 1500 hours of $100 hamburgers.

I guy I work with now sold his 150 to his BIL who got his ratings and then flew it from his pasture for 1500 hours. He’s now at envoy.

With BFI training, almost unlimited sims and 100 hour IOE footprints, anything is possible as long as there is a good attitude and continuous progress.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3245970)

With BFI training, almost unlimited sims and 100 hour IOE footprints, anything is possible as long as there is a good attitude and continuous progress.

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3246118)

Pardon my ignorance, but what is BFI?

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3246045)

No self-respecting professional should ever actually support a view like this. If you require 100 hours of IOE, you should be shown the door.

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3246045)

No self-respecting professional should ever actually support a view like this. If you require 100 hours of IOE, you should be shown the door.

Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3246210)

Perhaps 100 is high but the FAA minimum was designed for a pilot with multiple type ratings transitioning to a different piece of equipment not someone fresh out of a 172. It would be nice to take the UPT approach and wash out anyone who fails any lesson twice but the labor supply isn’t going to allow that. If you wish to maintain a single level of safety then the training programs must account for different learning rates and prior experience.

Originally Posted by itsmytime;[url=[url

tel:3246116]3246116]whats[/url] BFI training?

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3246605)

Basic Flight Instruction, I didn’t lead into that well. We often had to do basic flight and instrument training on pilots that supposedly had an atp, but lacked basic flying skills.

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3238729)

At what point do wages start to rise since inflation is getting bad?