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I am somewhat perplexed on why so many people feel that Mesa is a bad place to work.

Can anyone justify why they are always badmouthed?

Let the flaming begin LoL...

You don't need to ask for justification about Mesa's lack of QOL twice :-) It would be a compliment to say that they are the Wal-Mart of the Aviation Industry. Remember, that would be a compliment.

I have to admit, Mesa was the first place I had my App in while a lowly Flight Instructor...Ended up getting onboard with another Regional (slightly better work situation) and quickly realized why Pilots spoke such ways about Mesa. And so, you could have listened to all the rhymes and reasons for NOT going to Mesa, but in the end, maybe you can't quite understand what you were hearing until you've been immersed in the industry for some time - enough to realize they were right.

As a Flight Instructor, I was incapable of "hearing" what I was privy to - SJS is a b*tch. Now I know better!! Not getting a call from Mesa is one of the top-10 best things that ever happened to me.

I think I smell something burning...

If you are serious and not just flame baiting (which i believe this to be. Why else would you not put "Mesa" anywhere in the thread topic), try the search function. WAAAAAAY more than enough opinions have been expressed about Messa, JO and his ilk.

One may say that we accepted this "Spartan" lifestyle, all knowing that it would be somewhat of a sacrifice, so that we could have an opportunity to fly 'the big iron'.
So why does Mesa deserve such a ranking?

Basically, it comes down to how you treat another human-being. Mutual Respect and all that Jazz. Treat others as you would like to be treated. I think JO and his "team" there at MAG needed more TLC from their mothers.

If you want to be treated like crud by somebody who doesn't care about you, go ahead friend. I have more SELF RESPECT.

Seriously, with all due respect as mature fellow pilots, help me here, I just am curious on why there is so much negative sentiment about a money making, well established company that appears to have good financials. I consider myself a prudent and mature person, and all I am asking for is an adult and mature answer, Please.

LoL. Money-making? Must be another Airline you are speaking of!!

Mesa can't seem to grasp the Industry here state-side, so they go off and fly in Hawaii...Screw that up big-time and decide to try their luck in Asia. Last I heard that was going as well as any of their other operations.

Well thier stock seems to be doing well. Chad said that the mutual funds use it as a sound investment?

Really dude, what scandal-rag are you getting your information from?

I'm thinking about starting my own airline and purchasing a 737 or two. I'll have a lot of financial backing and the business plan will make money. Starting pay will be $20.00/hr, think you'd be a great candidate, PM me for details.

"Oooh, Oooh! Pick me! Pick me!"

LoL...:rolleyes:

Geez, the last thing I ever intended was to evoke a negative sentiment, and I deuley and truly apologize if I had done so.
I vehemently accept and understand that our achievements as pilots don't always pan out to what we would like, but it was our final decision to get into aviation in the first place. Somewhere on this site , I read about the SJS (shiny jet syndrome), aren't we all suffering a little bit from this syndrome?

Really?
Let us all be honest with ourselves now!!

muushin said: "I read about the SJS (shiny jet syndrome), aren't we all suffering a little bit from this syndrome?"


I must confess - I still do, and probably ALWAYS will. Atleast, I hope so.

SJS isn't the end of the world - you just have to balance it out with rock-solid career decisions! (ie don't think with your pecker. Use your brain)

Oh man, this is gonna get messy...

Muushin, heres some reading to get you started.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa

thats no joke i bet lots of people would jump at that

Personally I don't agree, if you are willing to pay me a $100,000 a year to fly a skyhawk in my home town with weekends off and only stipulation is that I can't fly a jet ever I'd be calling Sporty's right now and ordering myself a fuel sample cup.

An airplane is an airplane is an airplane.

I already received 4, "I just want to fly the big iron"

As an ex-Mesa pilot let me chime in.

Mesa really is a terrible place to work. I am at a top tier regional now and the differences are night and day. I no longer complain, I am respected by management, our mx is awesome, trips are great, hotels better, increased paycheck, no training contract.... pretty much everything that Mesa will never offer!

To explain Mesa's issues could quite possibly take a week. Let me just make a list of the reasons why people hate working there and why others don't like Mesa's management:

1) Working for less than your peers is frustrating
2) 8 days off a month on reserve vs. 12+ at other airlines. Seeing your family is important.
3) A disorganized operation... everything from dispatch to crew scheduling to maintenance.
4) An anti-pilot management group that disrespects employees on a daily basis. The CEO and others make MILLIONS per year while FOs fly the CRJ900 for $21,000 per year.
5) Low morale due to the aforementioned reasons.
6) Pay is based on segment time, not block or better (industry standard).
7) Whipsawing. Freedom years ago, now China this fall. Just watch. :mad:
8) Shoddy maintenance. MELs are part of a normal operation, ALL THE TIME. JO puts $$$ first, safety second, employees LAST.
9) Lots of stand up overnights, ready reserve and reduced rest. Much more than other carriers.
10) 3+ year upgrade due to lack of growth. The majors are giving flying to quality regionals now... no longer the post 9/11 low bidder.


The best fix to all of this? Boycott working for Mesa. With pilots leaving in herds the management over there is struggling to fill classes. An airline can't fly without pilots. Talk to every CFI / aspiring regional pilot and tell them to avoid working for Mesa. Don't let them rationalize working there. Its just too stupid to go there when the quality regionals are hiring as well. XJT, Republic, Skywest, AWAC, Eagle, Comair... MUCH better choices.

I love my new airline and I am glad to see all my friends leaving Mesa. If you have a friend that is stuck there as a Captain and can't afford to make the move to another regional... make sure they get involved with ALPA for negotiations this fall. If you have a friend who is an FO there, encourage them to join another company.

An effort such as this will really hurt that company and will help the industry. As an analogy, why work for some porn website, whoring yourself out when you could work for Google or Microsoft?

Education is key! Thanks for listening... pass it on.

Hey Just kidding,

While I am waiting for my clearance from Canada,
I went down to PHX.
Not knowing how long the Rehab visa takes to go through, I thought I would take a chance there.

Man !!! what an F**ing mistake, I Paid my own way back home ASAP.
PM me for a horrific story.

Yep I was baiting

I probably would have gave it a legitimate chance If Dave Feinstein Did not totally treat me like I was at a Dog Kennel

Exactly right.

LOL! You're joking right? There's not an airline out there that's stock is a sound investment. Remember that Mesa lost $30M in the first quarter and SKW Inc made over $65M. I use the employee stock purchase program which gives a 15% discount, after the purchase period I sale almost immediately! Airline stock, even SWA stock, is just way to uncertain.

As far as Mesa is concerned, there’s not an airline out there that does a better job playing the “Carrot and Stick” game. The only difference is that other airlines don’t beat you after you’ve back down, JO beats regardless. There’s only one thing that you can say about Mesa that you can’t say about other airlines, there predictable. They'll low ball everyone, even if it means losing money, MAG will always try to sell there employees out (Freedom & China) and they'll always have the highest paid Mgmnt group with the lowest paid labor groups.

Mesa (Mess-a) and GoJet (BlowJet) are the two worst airlines in America if not the world.

Yes, I am Joking

Glad to hear it.

Take care.

You're welcome

Jerk ;-) Really had me believin' you for a minute there!!

I guess that's the kid in me :o)

They really have their act together and always will. NOT. I had a friend who flew there several years ago. After a year of flying there he moved on to another regional. They were still paying him after he left. They ended up paying him for 9 months after he was gone. Too little staff and too much work.

Because there are many quality regionals that are hiring which will offer you experience to get on to the "big Iron", no need to work for a company that treats their pilots like dirt............

BLOCK OR BETTER

I like what that one guy said about 100k for flying a 172 in your hometown. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Last year right before the massive pilot shortage I had a mutual college friend who got hired at mesa....and he bragged and bragged about how he was the first of our group to get a jet job. not only that but he told us that the company seems pretty decent and that he would have taken less than what they offered him. Now I see that he fits right into Mesa's mentality....scum bag :mad:

if you go to gojets, mesa wouldn't look too bad... gojets don't have block or better either, and their scabs!

They're (not their) not scabs. Scumbags, yes. Scabs, no. I agree that using this term so loosely destroys it's meaning. There has to be a strike for scabs.

And no, I don't work for blowjets... ;)

i stand corrected. scumbag it is! thanks for the spell/grammer check too. english is my 3rd language. :D