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Fly this as a 4th year FO and make $78 and Seat 120Pax
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Fly this as a 4th year FO and make $36 and Seat 80pax
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40 Pax difference, and a difference of .20 cent per pax so If you put that 4th year FO and gave him the extra 40paxs he/she'd make $54 I'm tryin to prove a point here. Maybe my point is null and void because I don't understand the Scope clause Purpose. As I see it now though it's hurt Pilots as a Group!

The majors giving up scope was the worst thing they could have done. We are our own worst enemy's.

Perhaps I'm not understanding....but how is the fact that the pilot is making $78 instead of $54 a bad thing for pilots?

-Ben

It's a bad thing for the pilot making $54 for flying ultimately the same aircraft.

And your solution is to eliminate scope clauses so that all pilots can make $54 an hour? I'm not sure what your reasoning is here.

That's Hulas Kannodia's username.

The industry has changed.. like it or not.. ***** all you want..

If you dont like it, leave the industry.. if not.. get off your fukcing soapbox

popa, i'm lovin it.

Thats exactly what someone making crap money for flying a 70 seater would say...its sad that they try to justify it. Please fight for better pay on the 70 seaters. I think most regionals are understaffed and overworked right now, and its not going to get any better soon. This is our opportunity to raise our pay. Fight hard for better pay...please.

I agree the more the regionals pay, the more they will have to charge their "mainline" Slavemasters..............than maybe it will make more sense just to have mainline pilots flying larger airplanes..................of course that wont happen because that would just make too much sense

WHATS NOT TO UNDERSTAND? Management found a way to have inexperienced 600 hr kids fly large "cool looking emb 170" aircraft for sh*t pay, why the hell should they pay better................there is someone out there that would honestly pay to fly a EMB-170............after all they can put their picture of it on their MYSPACE page....................

Stop picking on the hot girl (E170).. dont forget about the ugly ones that carry the same people and in some cases do longer legs (CR7/9).. people always find a reason to hate the pretty girl :D

hahah O love the 170, I would love it even more if the US carriers followed suit of Air Canada, MAINLINE AIRCRAFT..................MAINLINE PILOTS............MAINLINE PAY

Mainline pilots dont want to fly it though.. case in point: US Airways. They have had hundreds of pilots bypass recall simply because they dont want to fly the E190. Within a year, you will see Republic operating at least some of the 190s.. at least that's the rumor anyway. We still have options for 8 of them I believe.

Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH:rolleyes:

I think it's safe to say they didn't want to fly them for what they would be paid...not the fact that it was a 190.

Agreed......

That would be a horrible for all of us. We can only hope and pray this doesnt' happen. Its bad enough we have the CRJ900s. Combine that with age 65 and we all will be flying RJs for a looonnnng time.

I have no problem flying an "RJ" for a long time. The problem is that the "regional" companies pilot groups need to stand up to management and make the pay raises happen.

I really think we are going to see the legacy carriers get out of the domestic market and focus on international. Their unions have traditionally and probably will continue to focus on the upper 1/3 of seniority's interests. Give away scope, don't hire new pilots. I think in 15-20 years we will see the likes of XJT, SKW, and RAH flying their own colors with international aggreements on the legacy carriers. Similar to what we see with Star Alliance and the like. This is a good time for the "regional" pilot groups to stick together and see their company as more than a stepping stone. That's the only way we'll save this career.

thats BAD NEWS...............Major airline pay is very poor right now and no matter how much we "stand" up regional pay will never be higher than mainline pay..............you see where I am going here?

You are right, it will never be higher so long as we act as subcontractors. ExpressJet has the idea with their branded flying. Your compensation is now tied to your corporate performance. With contracts, your compensation is tied to the negotiated value of the contract.

What I'm saying is that either the legacies need to maintain their foothold and grow (I would venture to say that their management and labor groups are too entrenched to be creative though) or the big "regionals" need to stand on their own brand.

What I'm suggesting is effectively the death of mainline carriers. Unfortunately, just the like auto industry, the union pay scales can get out of hand at the top. When you are paying guys over $250k a year to work less than a week each month, you simply are not getting much bang for you buck. I certainly would love that job, but its not realistic in our global market.

What I advocate for long term pay in this new paradigm is to bring the bottom up and the top down to create a more balance pay structure over a career. This will not happen at the mainline routes due to the unions focusing on the top 1/3. Management will never agree to a $20/hr pay raise across the board and the union will never agree to a $20/hr pay raise for the FOs only.

I see the problem really being that what we call a regional isn't a regional anymore. Its domestic outsourcing. If the subcontractor can do the job better than the prime, sooner or later, the prime gets hosed.