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Hedley 05-13-2022 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by DontLookDown (Post 3421629)
Factor in all the early COVID retirements, all the people who run into medical issues in their 60s and all the others who don’t want to work past 65…. And you aren’t left with too many people.

Also, it wouldn’t fix the problem. Most pilots that old are at Majors or Legacy airlines.

The shortage is regional captains and LCA.

The only thing that would possibly put a dent in the problem is if you created a “Restricted 1st Class” medical allowing people older then 65 to still fly part 121 in aircraft with less than 80 seats (or something like that).

Raising the retirement age would temporarily reduce retirements and slow regional attrition. When the retirement age was raised before, everyone said that it would only set things back a couple of years since most would leave at 62-63. The fact is that very few did, and I’d suspect that very few will if it is raised again. The overwhelming majority of pilots will take the money as long as they can.

JohnnyBekkestad 05-13-2022 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3421670)
Raising the retirement age would temporarily reduce retirements and slow regional attrition. When the retirement age was raised before, everyone said that it would only set things back a couple of years since most would leave at 62-63. The fact is that very few did, and I’d suspect that very few will if it is raised again. The overwhelming majority of pilots will take the money as long as they can.

Would you be able to fly past 65 in ICAO since they are 65?
If not, then the senior 777 CA would have to downgrade to domestic routes only and i don't see them doing that...

Andy 05-13-2022 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad (Post 3421733)
Would you be able to fly past 65 in ICAO since they are 65?
If not, then the senior 777 CA would have to downgrade to domestic routes only and i don't see them doing that...

I'd bet more than half Of WB CAs would do it.

golfandflows 05-13-2022 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3421010)
The fact that Republic (or any airline) could think that their training is equivalent or even somewhat close to US military flight training is utterly, incredibly laughable.

Yep. Not to mention all the instructor turnover that will happen. Atleast in the military you had instructors that were locked in rank/ position for a year or two so there is somewhat of a consistency. Won’t be the case at republic

IamEssential 05-13-2022 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by DontLookDown (Post 3421629)
Factor in all the early COVID retirements, all the people who run into medical issues in their 60s and all the others who don’t want to work past 65…. And you aren’t left with too many people.

Also, it wouldn’t fix the problem. Most pilots that old are at Majors or Legacy airlines.

The shortage is regional captains and LCA.


The only thing that would possibly put a dent in the problem is if you created a “Restricted 1st Class” medical allowing people older then 65 to still fly part 121 in aircraft with less than 80 seats (or something like that).

Actually it may fix the problem. The retirement age moves 3 years and brings three years of seniority stagnation at the Legacies, hiring is going to dramatically slow down to a pace we saw before COVID.

rickair7777 05-14-2022 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by IamEssential (Post 3421810)
Actually it may fix the problem. The retirement age moves 3 years and brings three years of seniority stagnation at the Legacies, hiring is going to dramatically slow down to a pace we saw before COVID.

Only if most legacy pilots stay past 65, and are willing to transition to a domestic fleet which will accommodate them with US-only schedules. Some will of course but enough to make a big dent in the problem? We'll have to wait and see.

rickair7777 05-14-2022 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad (Post 3421733)
Would you be able to fly past 65 in ICAO since they are 65?
If not, then the senior 777 CA would have to downgrade to domestic routes only and i don't see them doing that...

No you cannot per current rules.

PilotBases 05-14-2022 09:42 AM

How many Widebody captains will stay past 65 if it means multi leg domestic days?

rickair7777 05-14-2022 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3422508)
How many Widebody captains will stay past 65 if it means multi leg domestic days?

My hypothesis is it won't be enough to make a real dent in the problem. Not to mention the stress on the training system as it flows them back down, and then has to replace them again in 2-3 years. All the sims are going to rather busy as it is for the rest of the decade.

Time will tell. Assuming it passes. I think it will eventually but maybe not immediately.

captande 05-15-2022 04:54 AM

In all reality the push to reduce the 1500 hours has nothing to do with the idea of the quality of pilots coming into the industry. Look back at what the starting pay was for pilots who could sit right seat with a wet commercial certificate versus now. Again it’s not a pilot shortage, it’s a shortage of pay and QOL. There are copious amounts of 135/61 pilots out there who could make the jump to 121. They don’t want to because they don’t want to take a pay cut, or they don’t want to get slapped around by crew scheduling for 4-5 days and have to try and commute on oversold flights to a $300+ crash pad in ORD/NYC/DCA.

I guarantee if the 1500 rule was reduced there would be such an influx of bright eyed shiny jet syndrome kids that companies wouldn’t feel the pressure to improve contracts and make themselves more desirable.


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