John Stossel on the pilot shortage.
05-25-2022, 07:33 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
FL230 at the outer marker ? I find that hard to believe
Atc would have initiated your descent well before then ,even if the PD descent out of cruise was not sufficient.
Atc would have initiated your descent well before then ,even if the PD descent out of cruise was not sufficient.
05-25-2022, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
exactly. ATC would have gotten involved long before that. Not to mention, the captain would have gotten raked over the coals for allowing that abomination to happen. There is a difference between sink or swim, and gross negligence.
The CA advised approach that training was in progress and that they would descend in the procedure turn.
05-26-2022, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
A very strong case could be made that the 1500 hour rule makes us less safe.... Why? Because the regionals are so desperate to hire anyone, as long as you can fog a mirror, you can get in.
05-26-2022, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's what happened, I was sitting there watching it. I probably wouldn't have believed it either lol. Yes I expected ATC to intervene but it must have been a slow day.
The CA advised approach that training was in progress and that they would descend in the procedure turn.
The CA advised approach that training was in progress and that they would descend in the procedure turn.
05-26-2022, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's what happened, I was sitting there watching it. I probably wouldn't have believed it either lol. Yes I expected ATC to intervene but it must have been a slow day.
The CA advised approach that training was in progress and that they would descend in the procedure turn.
The CA advised approach that training was in progress and that they would descend in the procedure turn.
05-26-2022, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
If he did any research he'd know that no one with just 1500 piston SEL is getting hired at any ULCC, LCC, or Major.
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05-26-2022, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jpso
Frontier is hiring people with less than 1500 into their current new hire classes. These are pilots from their ATP flight school programs. One currently in class has 1500 TT, 25 ME.
05-26-2022, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
ATP students aren’t eligible for a a R-ATP until they hit the 1500 hour mark. The 1000 (4 year degree) and 1250 (2 year associates) exemptions are for Part 141 university graduates who completed the required coursework to be eligible. The 750 is for military…..
05-26-2022, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by fadec
The E in IOE stands for experience. There is no T for training. This is initial operating failure.
It was certainly unusual, but coordinated with ATC I can't think of any regs or safety violations.
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