Colgan's Q400s?
 

Anybody hear any rumors within the last few days that Colgan lost the Contract with Continental for the Q400's???

Where did you get that information?

And its all because of ALPA! Seriously, much like the Pinnacle purchase, the pilots working here would be the last to know.

WOW! That would be terrible for you Colgan guys.

Let's just take it easy. So far there is no information to support this. Let's get the facts before conclusions are made.

lol, that's a good one

Let me guess- this rumor came from ExpressJet First Officer- Saabbarowski?

Saab shouldn't you actually fly and stop making up useless CJC rumors?

Rumor, Colgan would not have ordered the Q400 if the contract could be taken away that easy. They signed a long term contract (7 years i believe). They haven't even recieved a Q400 yet, why would they lose the contract even if they could, which they couldn't.

I don't think Colgan bought the airplanes. My understanding was that Continental bought them and was going to lease them to Colgan.

Peanucle corp owns the planes. They are not on lease back to cjc or peanucle. I'll find that press release link from bombardier somewhere and post it.

I heard this thru someone with a friend at Colgan (No it wasn't SAAB). Of course it should be taken with a grain of salt for now since rumors fly as often as pilots. I was looking to see if anyone else had heard something similar.

Lets play devil's advocate for a second, what does everyone think would happen if Colgan did lose the Q's?

Im just taking a wild ass guess here but i would say they are the Colgan that they are today

Yeah, I'd say there's a good chance of that.

I was thinking more along the lines of what would happen to that line of Q's out of EWR. Would somebody else pick it up? Opinions who that might be? Would it go away totally? Use your imaginations.

Jesus brotha, you think Im that heartless.............:p I did hear though that CAL might be rethinking the Q400's because of their size and lack of room in EWR, but to be honest that airplane is perfect for a ton of the northeast stuff

i was at manassas yesterday and talked to the director of training and he talked as usual about the Q so i dont think that rumor has any basis

purchase orders can be cancelled


a lot of times companies order the planes to try to obtain a contract...

The contract has already been awarded to Colgan, Pinnancle Holdings purchased the aircraft to be flown by Colgan Air. These are the facts folks.

In fact the contract has strict completion factor limits which will be interesting to see how Colgan does. The aircraft have increased GW kit and increased Tailwind kit so they can be operated per the contract with CAL that states they will operate off 29 @ R to not interfere with all the other traffic.

Talked to someone at CAL in planning, Q400 is on the 2008 fleet plan to be flown by Contintental, and it will only change if Colgan messes it up after it's started.

Q400 and CAL was the main reason Pinnacle purchased 9L.

Sorry, but probably will introduce as many problems as it tries to solve.

Onfinal

Your probably right, it's all "in theory"

This always makes me laugh. I wonder if anyone has talked to EWR Tower or NYC Tracon. They rarely give you a break on departures off of 29. What happens when the winds don't allow this? Arrivals to 29 provide no relief when landing on 22L. Flew out of EWR for 7 yrs and ATC just isn't willing to work this angle very often, much less every day and every bank of departures. This will be the usual EWR Cluster F&*%. The only people that win are the bean counters and as usual the pax lose.

I'm laughing also, THEY CLAIM that they have talked to EWR TRACON/TOWER only time will tell. I know for a fact that is in the contract though.

This forum always gives me a chuckle. Losing the Q has about as much validity as the forum stating the US Airlink and Colgan pilots would merge into one pilot group. HA! That was against the business plan, joining the two pilot groups would not be possible with two seperate companies! Duh!
As for problems with the Q launching out of ERW, it is ATC's job to expedite departures as effecient as possible especially when an airline is dedicated to that runway. Basically some folks on here worry to much about things they have no control over. Go fishing or hunting. I can't believe I wasted my time with this BS, but figured some of you needed a wake up call. Also, most of you guys are great, just a few are tools. Adios.
Moose

I agree with most of the post but losing the Q is by far more highly unlikely then merging the pilot groups. CHQ, Shuttle,republic are seperate companies with one list. In fact, we should be worried about Pinnacle managements plan. Pinnacle ALPA filed a grievence saying Pinnacle management will not agree to a fence to seperate both pilot groups. If the plan is to keep them seperate, why do they refuse to bind that legally as the Pinnacle pilots would like?