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So I got an email from Envoy recruiting today--plus a couple others from Piedmont and PSA over the past week or so. My, how times have changed!

Figured I'd crowdsource some of my research rather than parsing every little detail myself. My first impression is that Envoy has the best deal at present with "50% premium pay for all pilot hourly rates until August 31, 2024," (assuming, of course, they really mean 150%). Are they serious? The others aren't offering/guaranteeing anything like this, are they?

Otherwise, all the other details seem pretty much the same across the three carriers' current programs (I'm looking specifically at their DEC offerings, btw). I'm typed in the ERJ, but I live in the Dayton area, so not sure where to fit PSA on my list. Thoughts?

All 3 carriers have the same payscale (in effect now) and the same work rules (which kick in Oct 1). Only Difference is Envoy is paying 300% on top of the new rates for any open time picked up in all of July

But not in August. Envoy also doesn't have the credit improvement after a certain number of hours a month.

Go where you can drive.

Unless you drive to Mesa or GoJet. Go somewhere else in that case. No Mesa, No GoJet. The rest are all fine.

If you live near Dayton go to PSA.

Should have specified. In OPs case, go to the WO he can drive to.

Yes, believe me, I get it. My type rating is worth a $7500 bonus at the other two, but DAY is drivable, which is more valuable in the long run. How junior/senior is it?

But what about that 50% premium till 2024 at Envoy? Do the others have that? Envoy's pilot pay calculator thingy says I'd make $262,500 first year and over $200k in the second year with all the bonuses and the premium pay. I'm not seeing that advertised at the other carriers.

Dont go to PSA if you care about your PRIA. Peidmont or envoy has far superior training.

that pay calc is bogus

Yes all 3 are paying 50% premium through Aug 2024 and offer 300% premium when manning is critical

Bogus how? Assuming 1000 hours a year, the math seems to work out... But it's math so I'm probably missing something.

Ah, look who it is again.

If you are a DEC in Dayton you will be on reserve forever. There are 5 year captains that cannot hold lines in Dayton. Super senior on the captain side in Dayton, but you could at least drive to work. ERJ 145 is trash so don’t bother with Piedmont. Go with PSA or Envoy.

Thanks for the info re DAY. I don't really care about the equipment--been flying those trash 145s most of my career anyway so might as well get the bonus for it... But that does bring up another question: Are the pay rates the same for all types?

Even if you can drive to Mesa or Gojet DO-NOT-WORK-THERE.

yes, they’re all the same.. keep in mind 50 seaters are going away as well

Kirby says that. My question is who picks up the lift? There’s no surplus anywhere to pick up that flying.

One thing I have to give Mesa: they still exist. Not sure how, but they do.

Gotcha, thanks. I think you're probably right but, just to put things in perspective, 50 seaters have been going away for 20 years. Also, Envoy is getting PBS. XJT did finally get EFBs, but then they shut down. The only facts in this business are historical facts.

New terminals are being built that are not accommodating to 50 seaters for a reason. DCA and IAD for example. They’re going away one way or another

Also been going on for 20 years. They just fit the 50 seaters in somewhere as an afterthought, usually hard stands way out on a remote corner of the ramp with a few double-wide trailers joined together for a pax holding area "gate".

Hope you’re someplace with a flow, your attitude is going to get you the TBNT so quickly at a major interview.