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SonicFlyer 09-22-2022 10:15 AM

RAA says shortage will cause contraction
 

Swelling pilot pay could force US regionals to contract, impacting communities: CEOs


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Higher pilot pay rates at regional airlines could become a problem as carriers seek to balance a pilot shortage with maintaining flights to smaller US communities.


SOURCE:
https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...150258.article

ninerdriver 09-22-2022 10:27 AM

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planejoe 09-22-2022 11:36 AM

or it'll attract people who didn't want to spend a ridiculous amount of money to make sub 40k a year with crap QOL. The money was always there, the carriers were banking it instead.

it'll take time to get those people in the door though.

Alpiner 09-22-2022 02:30 PM

Just need to get regional feed for the regionals.

highfarfast 09-22-2022 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Alpiner (Post 3499373)
Just need to get regional feed for the regionals.

Already have that at AAG. AA pilots now fly feed for WO pilots.

Propeller 09-22-2022 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3499380)
Already have that at AAG. AA pilots now fly feed for WO pilots.

Comment of the year!

Aeroengie 09-22-2022 06:38 PM

Not mentioned anywhere in the article: while regional pilot pay has been poverty level to this point, incommensurate with the technical labor provided, the newfound ability of regional pilots to feed themselves may result in some hypothetical service drawbacks to obscure communities

TransWorld 09-22-2022 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3499250)

Can the driver log PIC hours?

CaseTractor 09-22-2022 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3499566)
Can the driver log PIC hours?

no, but maybe they can log DIC miles? :D

PilotBases 09-23-2022 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3499566)
Can the driver log PIC hours?

How long is the flow from Bus to AA?

TransWorld 09-23-2022 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3499689)
How long is the flow from Bus to AA?

I don’t know, but their flow is restricted to the 320 series. Bus to bus.

Swakid8 09-23-2022 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3499689)
How long is the flow from Bus to AA?

Probably quicker than all of the WOs combined…

SonicFlyer 09-23-2022 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Aeroengie (Post 3499530)
Not mentioned anywhere in the article: while regional pilot pay has been poverty level to this point,

False. Regional pilot pay hasn't been "poverty level" for many many years now.

game 09-23-2022 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3500193)
False. Regional pilot pay hasn't been "poverty level" for many many years now.

Define “many many years”

Jdub2 09-23-2022 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3500222)
Define “many many years”

.5, duhhhh

KelvinHelmholtz 09-24-2022 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3500193)
False. Regional pilot pay hasn't been "poverty level" for many many years now.

You wish it still was

WHACKMASTER 09-24-2022 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by kelvinhelmholtz (Post 3500446)
you wish it still was

Don’t feed the troll!

WHACKMASTER 09-24-2022 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3500222)
Define “many many years”

Don’t feed the troll!

CFI4Life95 09-24-2022 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3500193)
False. Regional pilot pay hasn't been "poverty level" for many many years now.

If you were an FO at Mesa before the pay raise you would qualify for food stamps.

CFI4Life95 09-24-2022 08:24 AM

Not to mention Republic, SkyWest, Air Wisconsin, had very low wages for entry level FOs last year. If it wasn’t for the 1500 hour rule starting pay would not have increased dramatically at all.

FlyingSlowly 09-24-2022 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3499241)
Swelling pilot pay could force US regionals to contract, impacting communities: CEOs

Higher pilot pay rates at regional airlines could become a problem as carriers seek to balance a pilot shortage with maintaining flights to smaller US communities.

SOURCE:
https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...150258.article

Notice, how they argue that the problem is pilot pay, not poor planning of staffing by any of the (legacy or regional) airlines.... Nor is it the fastest hiring in a generation by the legacies.

Also notice the angle that "small communities will suffer."

What WILL happen FIRST is a reduction in the number of regional flights at medium sized cities by replacing hourly regionals with fewer larger planes. This is a win for decreasing congestion (of both airspace and at hub airports).

Fewer larger planes also INCREASES fuel EFFICIENCY and also LOWERS per-passenger (CASM) costs (especially at the current fuel $$$ and regional pilot $$$).

SonicFlyer 09-24-2022 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by CFI4Life95 (Post 3500497)
If you were an FO at Mesa before the pay raise you would qualify for food stamps.

Cite your source.

kevin18 09-24-2022 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer;[url=tel:3500856
3500856]Cite your source.

In 2020 my W-2 was $32k. Let’s not forget to deduct about 20% of that money went to getting to work and remaining in place for reserve. So yeah, poverty levels in 2020. My 2021 W-2 was $37k. Ever so slightly above poverty levels. Factor in work related expenses and I’m back down to poverty levels.

I had a 400% pay increase from where I started this year to where I am now. That wouldn’t be the case if a full/restricted ATP was not the requirement.

Round Luggage 09-24-2022 06:44 PM

If you have five people in your household then yes that was poverty.

SonicFlyer 09-25-2022 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by kevin18 (Post 3500907)
In 2020 my W-2 was $32k.

Pretty sure that doesn't qualify you for food stamps.

kevin18 09-25-2022 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer;[url=tel:3501480
3501480[/url]]Pretty sure that doesn't qualify you for food stamps.

It can depending upon the circumstances. The point is when you’re generating millions of revenue and require years of training to do so it shouldn’t even be in the discussion that you’re close to poverty levels.

Minepza 09-26-2022 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3500193)
False. Regional pilot pay hasn't been "poverty level" for many many years now.

Lol if you lived in rural Mississippi. Making 50 to 100K is not much now at days and hasn't been for a while espcially if you live in airline bases.

SonicFlyer 09-26-2022 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Minepza (Post 3501555)
Lol if you lived in rural Mississippi.

Well the trick is to not live in a place you can't afford.


Originally Posted by Minepza (Post 3501555)
Making 50 to 100K is not much now at days and hasn't been for a while espcially if you live in airline bases.

Well yeah, again, don't live in a place you can't afford. And $50-100k is enough money for most people to live on.


Now that being said, the Federal Reserve/government is making each dollar worth less and less by printing more and more resulting in price and monetary inflation.

Reader 09-27-2022 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by Minepza (Post 3501555)
Lol if you lived in rural Mississippi. Making 50 to 100K is not much now at days and hasn't been for a while espcially if you live in airline bases.

The ability to raise a family in comfort, own a nice house, buy new cars, etc demonstrates that it is certainly not a poverty wage.

Cujo665 09-27-2022 02:08 PM

RAA is 8 years late to the party as usual. We told them this was coming within 5 years back in 2014. Covid gave them 2 extra years.


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