Checkride failures
Hey, just wondering what constitutes a check ride failure. I went to Riddle and ratings were basically divided into 3 stages. You took a stage check at the end of each stage with the stage three check being your end of course. Riddle is self examining except for the commercial end of course you have to use a D.E. I've failed a few stage checks and an end of course, so I guess I’m just wondering if I have to say I failed an FAA check ride. I know at Express jet they specifically ask if you failed stage checks so I plan on telling the truth. However, some companies ask only about FAA check rides. Are stage checks and end of course at self examining schools the same thing as a FAA check ride.
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Yeah, I've been asked about them as well and I was honest and told them about the one oral that I wasn't prepared for and how I learned from it and they asked if it was an actual checkride with the FAA or a stage check and I told them about the program and they basically brushed it off and moved on, so don't worry about it. In your case I would be honest and emphasize the positive, how you learned from it etc.
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Yes, an end of course check at a self examining school is a checkride failure, AFAIK. If you filled out an 8710, and the ride would have ended up in you getting a crisp new temporary certificate, and you didn't get it, that's a checkride failure whether you have internal examiners, a DPE, or a local FSDO FAA examiner. Stage checks are not a checkride failure. I also had an airline ask me in a telephone interview if I had ever failed a stage check, as well as being asked about checkride failures. Luckily, I've never failed a ride. But, I knew one guy who failed every checkride he ever took at least once, and still got hired on his first try.
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Originally Posted by gbntpilot
(Post 188187)
Yes, an end of course check at a self examining school is a checkride failure, AFAIK. If you filled out an 8710, and the ride would have ended up in you getting a crisp new temporary certificate, and you didn't get it, that's a checkride failure whether you have internal examiners, a DPE, or a local FSDO FAA examiner. Stage checks are not a checkride failure. I also had an airline ask me in a telephone interview if I had ever failed a stage check, as well as being asked about checkride failures. Luckily, I've never failed a ride. But, I knew one guy who failed every checkride he ever took at least once, and still got hired on his first try.
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Originally Posted by brewcrew
(Post 187930)
I know at Express jet they specifically ask if you failed stage checks so I plan on telling the truth.
Good Luck, hope to see you on board Onfinal |
A checkride is a checkide is a checkride.
Why risk being deceitful in an important interview. It is not worth it. If you are honest you will come out ahead every time. And if you do not get hired it will not be because of failed checkrides. |
Every one can fail a checkride at any time. I failed a couple at Riddle myself, and guess what, I learned from them and moved on. Flying in the military for 5.5 years I haven't failed one and I think that is in large part due to the lessons I learned at Riddle.
Showing that you made a mistake and learned from it shows that you are mature, honest, and a professional. Having never made a mistate shows that you are just plain lucky. Best of luck with the interviews. Brian |
Originally Posted by brewcrew
(Post 187930)
Hey, just wondering what constitutes a check ride failure. I went to Riddle and ratings were basically divided into 3 stages. You took a stage check at the end of each stage with the stage three check being your end of course. Riddle is self examining except for the commercial end of course you have to use a D.E. I've failed a few stage checks and an end of course, so I guess I’m just wondering if I have to say I failed an FAA check ride. I know at Express jet they specifically ask if you failed stage checks so I plan on telling the truth. However, some companies ask only about FAA check rides. Are stage checks and end of course at self examining schools the same thing as a FAA check ride.
If you didn't fill out an 8710 and then have to sign a pink slip from the examiner where he then mailed it off to the FAA then you didn't fail. From what you've said you haven't failed any checkrides. Duck |
Here's the deal...if you were issued a little pink piece of paper that says "Discontinuance" on it...you have failed a checkride (usually...although they can be discontinued for weather, maintenance, etc). However, if you failed the "End-Of-Course" ride at a Part 141 school WITH examining authority, YOU HAVE NOT FAILED A CHECKRIDE. Those schools don't do "checkrides" they merely graduate you from a course. It just so happens that the very last lesson in the course is very checkride-ish. However, if you fail that...no pink piece of paper....no failure. The FAA requires Part 141 schools to disclose how many of their students pass the End-Of-Course ride on the first attempt...but it's a percentage...not a list of names. The closest the FAA comes to seeing if you failed an End-Of-Course is when they get your syllabus for review along with yoru 8710 packet. However...guess what...they don't keep track of whether you failed the last lesson or not.
How you want to disclose that in an interview is your own business. I stuck to the notion that "I did all my training Part 141 so I never really took a checkride, we just had End-Of-Course rides." The follow up question is always "Well did you fail one of those" to which I'm fortunate enough to say "Nope". P.S. - The key to all this is the "examining authority" part. If you do that last lesson with a D.E. or an FAA guy...it's a checkride. P.S.S. - I didn't know Riddle lost Examining Authority on their Commercial Syllabus...that's not a good thing. |
End of course, as far as flying goes, is just one of those 3hrs in prep for your checkride. You can't get your certificate for completing it. If asked if you've ever failed a checkride you say NO! Having to redo a "lesson" is no big deal and doesn't need to be brought up.
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