The future of Regionals?
01-24-2023, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Brickfire
Assuming the 190’s were profitable…. They’re now paying those rates for 50-76 seat jets
01-24-2023, 07:55 AM
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It’s clear the 4 using the regional FFD model haven’t given up on it. Yet. But if they absorb it’ll become cattle cars again. These jets can hold more seats that they presently do. One domino falls and they all will. It’s just who is gonna go first. The AA gamble is - all your pilots belong to us. With forced upgrades they may win the battle. Huge safety gamble in my opinion. Let the press get hold of the forced upgrade facts and it’ll be interesting.
01-24-2023, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
It’s clear the 4 using the regional FFD model haven’t given up on it. Yet. But if they absorb it’ll become cattle cars again. These jets can hold more seats that they presently do. One domino falls and they all will. It’s just who is gonna go first. The AA gamble is - all your pilots belong to us. With forced upgrades they may win the battle. Huge safety gamble in my opinion. Let the press get hold of the forced upgrade facts and it’ll be interesting.
01-24-2023, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
It’s clear the 4 using the regional FFD model haven’t given up on it. Yet. But if they absorb it’ll become cattle cars again. These jets can hold more seats that they presently do. One domino falls and they all will. It’s just who is gonna go first. The AA gamble is - all your pilots belong to us. With forced upgrades they may win the battle. Huge safety gamble in my opinion. Let the press get hold of the forced upgrade facts and it’ll be interesting.
01-24-2023, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Forced upgrades can be done intelligently, ie not right at legal mins. If the business model does not support right seat lifers, so be it. Nothing says you have an entitlement to stay an FO forever. Airlines can and do hire "future Captains", not career FO's.
01-24-2023, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
As far as I know, no legacy owns part of Republic Airways. It is owned by the holding company, and has contracts to provide service for various customers. There are contracts with various legacy airlines involved, but no ownership.
01-24-2023, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Yeah, that makes sense until a guy who was recently "forced" to upgrade is involved in a national media incident.
01-25-2023, 08:01 AM
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01-25-2023, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Yeah, that makes sense until a guy who was recently "forced" to upgrade is involved in a national media incident.
Skywest used to do that, the termination part. So did AA mainline... they actually had a mandatory upgrade requirement for a long time.
A business can do that, if necessary for staffing. Nuclear power plants rotate all ops workers through rotating shifts, so everybody does days, swings, and nights in rotation. That prevents the otherwise inevitable situation of having all the experienced people on the day shift, with amateur night on the backside.
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