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Old 07-07-2007, 08:21 AM
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I agree that you cannot use pilot754 (the 1500 hour guy) as an example. Who was the next most experienced guy in the class?? Would that change your perspective a little bit.
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ryane946 View Post
I agree that you cannot use pilot754 (the 1500 hour guy) as an example. Who was the next most experienced guy in the class?? Would that change your perspective a little bit.
I think the next guy had 1200 hours. Another guy had jet time in a C-5. They did fine, but the sharpest guy was actually the low time guy.

I am not saying my observations are 100% correct all of the time. I am just relaying my point of view from the class I was in. I am a GA guy, I have instructed, and I feel pretty good in a light airplane in IFR and VFR. This type of flying here is a whole different world. I have about a few hundred hours instructing, I don't think a few hundred more would have made any difference when it comes to learning to fly this jet. Two totally different worlds. I think the lower time guys might even have it a little easier since they haven't had the time to develop bad habits. Those of us that have done things a certain way for a long time have a harder time adapting to a dfifferent way.
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:45 AM
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Do the poor bastard a favor and don't post anything on it so it won't return to the top of the forum. It is great for a good laugh though. You aren't going to believe your eyes.

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OMG! I read it. He truly is a mental case. I thought he was before, but now I know for sure. I am truly confident he will never make it at an airline, so I am not worried about that. However, I am worried about him getting in airplane elsewhere (renting, etc.). I hope the FAA will discover him and take action for everyone's safety as well as his own.
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:52 AM
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So, do you think the 300 hour guy, cause he was "sharpest in the class" and "didn't have time to develop bad habits", will make a better RJ F/O than the C-5 guy will?

Revisit that question during IOE.

Training and real world are two different animals. There is no substitute for experience. I guess my point is the 300 hour guy is going to be a joke for the first six months. The word babysit comes to mind.

I'm not challenging that 200 hours more in the pattern would make you a better RJ sim driver. I'm challenging that you think it wouldn't make you a better pilot. I think it would.
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The 300 hour guy had gone through extensive CRJ training already on his own buck.
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Old 07-07-2007, 09:48 AM
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I must know you Fugazi. Were you in my class?
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Negative..
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
I think the next guy had 1200 hours. Another guy had jet time in a C-5. They did fine, but the sharpest guy was actually the low time guy.

I am not saying my observations are 100% correct all of the time. I am just relaying my point of view from the class I was in. I am a GA guy, I have instructed, and I feel pretty good in a light airplane in IFR and VFR. This type of flying here is a whole different world. I have about a few hundred hours instructing, I don't think a few hundred more would have made any difference when it comes to learning to fly this jet. Two totally different worlds. I think the lower time guys might even have it a little easier since they haven't had the time to develop bad habits. Those of us that have done things a certain way for a long time have a harder time adapting to a dfifferent way.
The concern with low-time airline pilots has little do with the sim. Nobody (except mesa) is too worried about whether or not a low-timer can pass training. The sim is a big video game that is designed to teach you how to do instrument approaches and engine-out procedures. Since engine failures are exceedingly rare and you can go weeks or months without doing an instrument approach (depending on geography), the sim isn't particularly relevant to real airline flying.

Conducting regional operations in busy airspace or uncontrolled airports is where that 1500 hours of situational awareness and talking on the radio comes in handy...a CFI has an instinctive feel for what those bug-smashers are going to do (and how they're going to screw up). Example: I did a go-around once due to a GA airplane on base to the parallel on a hazy day. We had him on TCAS (TA) but tower assured as that he was turning final. When I heard someone ask "uh tower, what's the localizer freq for 27R?" I realized the guy didn't see his runway and was going through his final. Sure enough, he went blazing through the airspace I had just climbed out of.

Actually in defense of low-timers, SWA has done the same thing to me...twice.
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
I think the next guy had 1200 hours. Another guy had jet time in a C-5. They did fine, but the sharpest guy was actually the low time guy.

I am not saying my observations are 100% correct all of the time. I am just relaying my point of view from the class I was in. I am a GA guy, I have instructed, and I feel pretty good in a light airplane in IFR and VFR. This type of flying here is a whole different world. I have about a few hundred hours instructing, I don't think a few hundred more would have made any difference when it comes to learning to fly this jet. Two totally different worlds. I think the lower time guys might even have it a little easier since they haven't had the time to develop bad habits. Those of us that have done things a certain way for a long time have a harder time adapting to a dfifferent way.
I hate to break it to you but instructing teaches alot more than hands on flying.
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
I think the next guy had 1200 hours. Another guy had jet time in a C-5. .
How does an Air Force guy just have "time" in a C-5? Is he a reservist?
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