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Originally Posted by Spartan07
(Post 193609)
Yeah, I know he brought home a lot more than I did on E4 pay. I was just pointing out the hilarity in my PSMC (Military compensation report). They have me listed at that 50k mark. How much of that was take home? About $2600 per month (x12=about 31k per year).
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Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 193648)
I remember grossing about $690/month when I was an E-1...:eek: Still have an old LES around here somewhere.
Oh, and all of my LES's are contained online... Old timer ;) |
I'd say I'm worth about $30,000 - $40,000 (a month) if I am utilized appropriately.
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Guys..... There is a reason that 1st year at these places is what it is:
UPS: $32,000 CAL: $28,000 DAL: $42,000 UAL: $27,000 Airtran: $37,000 Jetblue: $42,000 Alaska: $33,000 Frontier: $34,000 The only ones that really push $50,000 are SWA and FDX. That doesn't mean these places are bad...... It is all business. The cost to train a pilot on new equipment costs upwards of $20,000/pilot. If you add that in to the first year pay, then these really arent as bad as you think....... Imagine being a manager and paying $65,000/yr ($5,500/mo) to a pilot and paying $20,000 for training and seeing that pilot leave after 8 months or 1 year...... It is a HUGE loss in money for the company. They might be able to pay more money if people would commit to not leaving.....Training costs for major airlines are MILLIONS of dollars/year. Would you rather sign a 1-5 year training contract/bond and get more money? UPS does it right....... even though 1st year is low, you earn it all back starting year 2 where their (as well as FDX) pay is LEAPS AND BOUNDS ahead of ANY other carrier....... Their pay-by-seat scale is really a smart idea and vastly reduces training costs...... Pilots have no reason to switch fleets...... dont have to chase the money..... If the above represents the Major/National airline scale, I believe for the current economy the BETTER regionals are about par...... That being said, the whole industry could use to rise a bit and that will happen as the shortage of pilots continues to the major level..... Give it another 5-10 years...... I can't wait to read a thread titled "how little we all get paid" once a contract gets signed where first year pay is $100,000. Will pilots EVER be satisfied?!? Seriously..... I wouldn't mind more pay but some people take this to quite the extreme. |
Originally Posted by U-I pilot
(Post 193974)
Give it another 5-10 years...... I can't wait to read a thread titled "how little we all get paid" once a contract gets signed where first year pay is $100,000.
Will pilots EVER be satisfied?!? Seriously..... I wouldn't mind more pay but some people take this to quite the extreme. P.S. When I can stay afloat, I'm going to ::expletive deleted:: WAR against Sallie. |
You sound like management or a future candidate...you never make that first year money back because that year of your life is gone. Also, I don't care what it costs to train me, it's called the cost of doing business.
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Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 193983)
You sound like management or a future candidate...you never make that first year money back because that year of your life is gone. Also, I don't care what it costs to train me, it's called the cost of doing business.
If you want to say the low 1st year pay is for training, then give the guys who have experience in the exact aircraft already a $20,000 sign-on bonus or something. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I would venture to guess that if I already know the 7xx from my time with brand x and just need to learn brand Y's way of doing business, it won't take me long at all to figure that out. |
Originally Posted by sigtauenus
(Post 194038)
If you want to say the low 1st year pay is for training, then give the guys who have experience in the exact aircraft already a $20,000 sign-on bonus or something. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I would venture to guess that if I already know the 7xx from my time with brand x and just need to learn brand Y's way of doing business, it won't take me long at all to figure that out.
Originally Posted by Slice
You sound like management or a future candidate...you never make that first year money back because that year of your life is gone. Also, I don't care what it costs to train me, it's called the cost of doing business.
Why do FE's at Brown get paid less than FO's when the FE does more work and likely has MUCH more experience than you..... At least if you are asking for more money, give that to the people who work the hardest. They deserve the most..... |
Originally Posted by U-I pilot
(Post 194051)
I agree with you here....people SHOULD get paid based on the experience they have..... But the sense of entitlement people feel to big bucks just because they spent alot on their "career education" is not right.....
If you think its so bad then why did you go to UPS. By going there you are accepting the pay and telling management, that it is worth it to you to accept that pay......you are a real hypocrite....Maybe you should have made a stand and said NO to sub-par wages....lol.... Are you seriously this closed minded? Can you honestly put yourself in managements shoes and think that all pilots should be given free training, a multi-million dollar career, and 15 days off a month, cause "they've worked so hard to get there?!?" I am a line pilot through and through but people need to get off their high horse and realize that there are lots of pilots/people out there that can do this job. If you just want to complain about it, go somewhere else/leave the industry because you and others like you will NEVER be happy/satisfied. Why do FE's at Brown get paid less than FO's when the FE does more work and likely has MUCH more experience than you..... At least if you are asking for more money, give that to the people who work the hardest. They deserve the most..... |
Originally Posted by U-I pilot
(Post 193974)
Guys..... There is a reason that 1st year at these places is what it is:
UPS: $32,000 CAL: $28,000 DAL: $42,000 UAL: $27,000 Airtran: $37,000 Jetblue: $42,000 Alaska: $33,000 Frontier: $34,000 The only ones that really push $50,000 are SWA and FDX. That doesn't mean these places are bad...... It is all business. The cost to train a pilot on new equipment costs upwards of $20,000/pilot. If you add that in to the first year pay, then these really arent as bad as you think....... Imagine being a manager and paying $65,000/yr ($5,500/mo) to a pilot and paying $20,000 for training and seeing that pilot leave after 8 months or 1 year...... It is a HUGE loss in money for the company. They might be able to pay more money if people would commit to not leaving.....Training costs for major airlines are MILLIONS of dollars/year. Would you rather sign a 1-5 year training contract/bond and get more money? UPS does it right....... even though 1st year is low, you earn it all back starting year 2 where their (as well as FDX) pay is LEAPS AND BOUNDS ahead of ANY other carrier....... Their pay-by-seat scale is really a smart idea and vastly reduces training costs...... Pilots have no reason to switch fleets...... dont have to chase the money..... If the above represents the Major/National airline scale, I believe for the current economy the BETTER regionals are about par...... That being said, the whole industry could use to rise a bit and that will happen as the shortage of pilots continues to the major level..... Give it another 5-10 years...... I can't wait to read a thread titled "how little we all get paid" once a contract gets signed where first year pay is $100,000. Will pilots EVER be satisfied?!? Seriously..... I wouldn't mind more pay but some people take this to quite the extreme. |
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