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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3858142)
The unions won't let them do that.
To Return to the thread topic...... Months 1-6 Omni $90k Home based but gone 16-17 days straight every month 5% match on up to 10% (and capped at $10k a year) BC&BS Family PPO $360 month Months 6-12 Republic DEC - $110k plus $100k bonus 4% DC to 401k (it goes to 10% over time but needs to be increased) Based at home - rarely work OT (maybe $4k this year) BC&BS Family PPO $800 month |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3858341)
They aren't equipped to stop the whipsaw unfortunately, and the RLA isn't on our side.
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3858389)
Then why have a union if they aren't going to protect our pay?
For work rules, they do help protect pilots. There’s rules for the company on just about anything. Hotels for instance. They have specific standards on where they put us. Management can’t just behave like a Wild West crap bag part 91/135 operator, and drop us into a sketchy truck stop motel which is in a moderate to high crime area with drug dealing and prostitution going on, and say “deal with it, if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.” Even regionals have always been pretty good at booking us in decent to even good hotels, even before they hiked the pay rates. If there is a crime that has been committed in an area near or in the hotel, that was previously low to no crime, they move us to a different hotel. This has happened on several occasions at my shop, and i always felt like they are looking after us when they book different hotels to keep us away from sketchy areas. At my shop on reserve, on your last day on a stretch of reserve days, if nothing is assigned to you by 5:00pm, you have ‘early release’ and can go home early, even if you were originally on reserve until midnight that night. This helps commuters a lot. Those are just one of many examples. |
Originally Posted by Cleared4appch
(Post 3858416)
In defense of the unions, they do offer significant protections regarding work rules. Yes, in years past, the unions were absolutely worthless when it came to negotiations for increased pilot pay. Hopefully it never ever goes back to that, and I don’t think it will get to the point where they will drop the wages to what they were prior to about 2015/2016. Cost of living is a lot higher now. If they do cut wages, it might easily go back to what they were right before they hiked the rates in 2022, maybe even lower than that.
For work rules, they do help protect pilots. There’s rules for the company on just about anything. Hotels for instance. They have specific standards on where they put us. Management can’t just behave like a Wild West crap bag part 91/135 operator, and drop us into a sketchy truck stop motel which is in a moderate to high crime area with drug dealing and prostitution going on, and say “deal with it, if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.” Even regionals have always been pretty good at booking us in decent to even good hotels, even before they hiked the pay rates. If there is a crime that has been committed in an area near or in the hotel, that was previously low to no crime, they move us to a different hotel. This has happened on several occasions at my shop, and i always felt like they are looking after us when they book different hotels to keep us away from sketchy areas. At my shop on reserve, on your last day on a stretch of reserve days, if nothing is assigned to you by 5:00pm, you have ‘early release’ and can go home early, even if you were originally on reserve until midnight that night. This helps commuters a lot. Those are just one of many examples. |
Originally Posted by Cleared4appch
(Post 3858416)
In defense of the unions, they do offer significant protections regarding work rules. Yes, in years past, the unions were absolutely worthless when it came to negotiations for increased pilot pay. Hopefully it never ever goes back to that, and I don’t think it will get to the point where they will drop the wages to what they were prior to about 2015/2016. Cost of living is a lot higher now. If they do cut wages, it might easily go back to what they were right before they hiked the rates in 2022, maybe even lower than that.
For work rules, they do help protect pilots. There’s rules for the company on just about anything. Hotels for instance. They have specific standards on where they put us. Management can’t just behave like a Wild West crap bag part 91/135 operator, and drop us into a sketchy truck stop motel which is in a moderate to high crime area with drug dealing and prostitution going on, and say “deal with it, if you don’t like it, you can go work somewhere else.” Even regionals have always been pretty good at booking us in decent to even good hotels, even before they hiked the pay rates. If there is a crime that has been committed in an area near or in the hotel, that was previously low to no crime, they move us to a different hotel. This has happened on several occasions at my shop, and i always felt like they are looking after us when they book different hotels to keep us away from sketchy areas. At my shop on reserve, on your last day on a stretch of reserve days, if nothing is assigned to you by 5:00pm, you have ‘early release’ and can go home early, even if you were originally on reserve until midnight that night. This helps commuters a lot. Those are just one of many examples. |
Originally Posted by tallpilot
(Post 3858458)
Don't engage with the anti-union troll. He's upset at unions, pilots and probably other things.
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Bringing the Thread Back on Topic
Jan-Feb CFI at large 141:
$5,700 take home, including a solid chunk of PTO cash out. Mar-Dec SkyWest Year 1 FO Training March-June, Reserve June-September, Line Holder October-December 350 Block Hours Flown $56k take home, $74k gross Just about min guarantee plus per diem (~$3k). Funny how that math always works out. Never budget for anything beyond min guarantee folks. |
Endeavor year 1/2 FO pay
800 block, $152k Per Diem and 401k brings it over $160k for the year. 6 months of reserve, lots of pick ups, commuter. |
Skywest capt year 5/6
310k projected (297ytd) 137k in 300% trip pickups 650ish block ~24 nights a month at home reserve all year live in base |
Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3858389)
Then why have a union if they aren't going to protect our pay?
you're confusing protecting your pay, with contract negotiations. One, the union has great power, the second not so much. preventing another carrier from taking concessions to get more work & planes which means more faster upgrades is something they are NOT good at, because pilots vote what's best for them individually right now, without looking at the long term harm, because in most cases they see regionals as a temporary stepping stone, so who cares what happens after they're gone. the national "unions" don't have the authority to tell an individual pilot group that they can't vote yes on concessions. |
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