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JoeyMeatballs 07-20-2007 09:25 AM

Rocket Launcher found in Jersey City, right underneath EWR's Flight Path!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
www.wcbstv.com - CBS2 Exclusive: Feds Seize Rocket Launcher In N.J.

(CBS) JERSEY CITY A Jersey City woman made a shocking discovery on her lawn this morning when she noticed a military rocket launcher lying in the grass.

Niranjana Besai was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front lawn. She immediately called police.

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that the missile launcher appears similar to the kind that is capable of taking down an aircraft and that Besai's house is located along flight path for Newark Liberty International Airport.

Besai's neighbor, Joe Quinn, saw her pointing at the equipment from her front porch. When he walked over to see what the fuss was, he was just as shocked to see the six-foot-long weapon.

“It looked like a bazooka,” he told CBS 2 HD.

Quinn says he originally thought the launcher was just a pipe, but after noticing it had a picture of a soldier on it, he realized it looked similar to a missile launcher he'd seen on television.

Jersey City Police removed the launcher, and the incident is now being investigated by the Joint Terrorism Task Force and The Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Jersey City Police could not confirm whether it was actually operable.



PS. Found this news on Expressjet's Pilot forum, figured I share the scary news............
This is very scary.................

Speedbird172 07-20-2007 09:32 AM

Ugh that's wooonderful. I gotta say though, I'm a bit suprised it's taken this long to find out something like this.

JoeyMeatballs 07-20-2007 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Speedbird172 (Post 199119)
Ugh that's wooonderful. I gotta say though, I'm a bit suprised it's taken this long to find out something like this.

Yeah, I know............If you guys have ever seen that video of the DHL plane coming in with he wing on fire, due to this type of thing, its very scary, an ERJ wouldn't fair the same way..............

Led Zep 07-20-2007 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 199120)
Yeah, I know............If you guys have ever seen that video of the UPS plane coming in with he wing on fire, due to this type of thing, its very scary, an ERJ wouldn't fair the same way..............

That was a DHL A300.

hvydriver 07-20-2007 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Led Zep (Post 199124)
That was a DHL A300.

Yep, it was. Those guys did a heck of a job getting that thing on the ground. I heard from some of the guys in BRU that there was much drinking going on afterwards. Personally, I don't think they should ever have to buy a drink again. LOL :)

JoeyMeatballs 07-20-2007 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Led Zep (Post 199124)
That was a DHL A300.

thanks for the fix ;) either way hell of a job, I dont think an Embraer will be able to handle that type of "Emergency"

contrails 07-20-2007 09:48 AM

The Embraer is an emergency if you go by the number of master cautions in a typical flight.

ToiletDuck 07-20-2007 09:54 AM

In our 32 memory items we don't seem to have one for missile strike. Guess we'll just make another one. 33 it is! Yay RAH.

Slice 07-20-2007 09:54 AM

They don't say what this weapon actually was. If this was a WWII Bazooka, the hype in this case is for not valid. I've seen them for sale(non-functioning) at gun shows before. If it was actually a MANPAD, it's a whole different issue. Even if this is a false alarm, the potential threat is real and is something we all should be concerned about.

ERJ135 07-20-2007 10:01 AM

I would think that they would be more interested in hitting a 75/76 or 777 versus an ERJ. Its bigger easier to hit and a higher loss of life.

POPA 07-20-2007 10:05 AM

I sure hope the FBI is collaborating with the experts over at the TSA.

Spartan07 07-20-2007 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 199142)
I sure hope the FBI is collaborating with the experts over at the TSA.

Because most of these surface to air missles are heat seeking TSA will probably come to the conclusion that aircraft can no longer produce heat, then they will spend some $$$ and find out what causes heat on the airplane. A couple weeks and much research later they will come to the conclusion that fuel in fact produces heat.

Therefore, No commercially operated flight in the United States will be allowed to carry fuel.

Zoot Suit 07-20-2007 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 199136)
In our 32 memory items we don't seem to have one for missile strike. Guess we'll just make another one. 33 it is! Yay RAH.


#33 BOAKYAG

Dashdog 07-20-2007 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Spartan07 (Post 199147)
Because most of these surface to air missles are heat seeking TSA will probably come to the conclusion that aircraft can no longer produce heat, then they will spend some $$$ and find out what causes heat on the airplane. A couple weeks and much research later they will come to the conclusion that fuel in fact produces heat.

Therefore, No commercially operated flight in the United States will be allowed to carry fuel.


They can carry all the fuel they want as long as it's all divided into 3oz clear containers. Or maybe they'll demand that aircraft run on breastmilk.

BlueMoon 07-20-2007 12:03 PM

Maybe some tried to fire it but it malfunctioned somehow. Unfortunately, it seems like it is only a matter of time before something like this happens.

azvandriver 07-20-2007 12:08 PM

An AT-4 has a picture of a soldier on it. It was probably just an expended AT-4 launcher that every body that who has served in an infantry unit has in his attic.

rickair7777 07-20-2007 12:30 PM

The good news about manpads is that they are not designed to shoot down airplanes...they are designed as a last-ditch defense for soldiers who are being attacked by tactical aircraft. They are intended to do at least enough damage to make the aircaft go away and stop bothering you.

The heat-seek feature works well, because most tactical airplanes have their heat sources (engines) together near the center of mass where all the tactical goodies are...in addition to getting both engines, you have a shot at avionics, control, and tactical systems as well.

Modern airliners tend to keep their engines away from the the other important stuff. It is no coincidence that the A-10, the best close air support plane ever made, has engines on pylons too.

The high level terrorists (al queda) are VERY conscious of public relations...they do not want to look like incompetent idiots on CNN. For this reason they rarely attempt "hail mary" type operations...too much risk of humiliating failure. They would not be inclined to attempt to use the wrong tool (a manpad) to shoot down a 757...they know darn well that it flys just fine on one engine and the end result would be a lot of press coverage about heroic airline pilots.

texaspilot76 07-20-2007 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 199136)
In our 32 memory items we don't seem to have one for missile strike. Guess we'll just make another one. 33 it is! Yay RAH.

32 memory items? Damn! Who do you work for?

Spartan07 07-20-2007 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by azvandriver (Post 199213)
An AT-4 has a picture of a soldier on it. It was probably just an expended AT-4 launcher that every body that who has served in an infantry unit has in his attic.

I don't have an AT-4 in my attic from my time in the grunts... I do however, have a empty TOW missle encasement...

rickair7777 07-20-2007 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by ERJ135 (Post 199141)
I would think that they would be more interested in hitting a 75/76 or 777 versus an ERJ. Its bigger easier to hit and a higher loss of life.


Actually an RJ would be a MUCH better target than a large airliner...it is similar in size and configuration to what the manpad is designed to hit, and has all the important parts located together.


A heavier airliner would probably just perform an single engine no-flap LDG, as has been demonstrated.

AggieFlyer06 07-20-2007 12:35 PM

that is true, about a higher loss of life from hitting the big boys, but dont give the enemy that much credit. they dont deserve it. it is very possible that this is all a huge mixup. however, if its not....this is a big problem!

Spartan07 07-20-2007 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 199218)
The good news about manpads is that they are not designed to shoot down airplanes...they are designed as a last-ditch defense for soldiers who are being attacked by tactical aircraft. They are intended to do at least enough damage to make the aircaft go away and stop bothering you.

The heat-seek feature works well, because most tactical airplanes have their heat sources (engines) together near the center of mass where all the tactical goodies are...in addition to getting both engines, you have a shot at avionics, control, and tactical systems as well.

Modern airliners tend to keep their engines away from the the other important stuff. It is no coincidence that the A-10, the best close air support plane ever made, has engines on pylons too.

The high level terrorists (al queda) are VERY conscious of public relations...they do not want to look like incompetent idiots on CNN. For this reason they rarely attempt "hail mary" type operations...too much risk of humiliating failure. They would not be inclined to attempt to use the wrong tool (a manpad) to shoot down a 757...they know darn well that it flys just fine on one engine and the end result would be a lot of press coverage about heroic airline pilots.

Just because it isn't Al Qaeda doesn't mean it's not a terrorist. Any crackpot with an idea and a little gumption could bring down an airliner to get come crazy political message across... Timothy McVeigh comes to mind.

HercDriver130 07-20-2007 12:48 PM

When I was flying Hercs ....YEARS ago, we had a couple shot at our squadrons aircraft over a month period down in peru. NO HITS.... but damn scary, luckily we had just started using chaff despensers on flights in SA because of the threat.

Slice 07-20-2007 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 199230)
When I was flying Hercs ....YEARS ago, we had a couple shot at our squadrons aircraft over a month period down in peru. NO HITS.... but damn scary, luckily we had just started using chaff despensers on flights in SA because of the threat.

Flares usually work better.:D

azvandriver 07-20-2007 03:40 PM

The latest story says that there was no explosive material and that the "device" was 20 years old. Typical media overreaction. I remember when I was in 29 Palms the bomb squad was called out because someone found "M-16 bullets" in his deceased grandfather's attic. That made the news too.

HercDriver130 07-20-2007 04:55 PM

yes slice i know.... but we only had chaff working at the time...... same control head just no launchers....they were mounted in our aft doors at that time because they were a quick solution to a perceived threat.....

sigtauenus 07-20-2007 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 199266)
Flares usually work better.:D

LOL, you beat me to it. ;)

MoosePileit 07-20-2007 05:21 PM

I like when my jet has freeaking Lasersz on it's tail. Keep your expendables for cool pictures w/ combat camera...

HercDriver130 07-20-2007 06:08 PM

lolol......hell those old E model Hercs we were lucky if we had anything fancier than "OMEGA" for navigation.....

Controller: Herc 201 are you RNAV equipped today?

Herc: Yes Sir, "Our NAV" is hard at word back there!!!!

LOLOLOL

rickair7777 07-20-2007 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 199266)
Flares usually work better.:D

yeaaaaaah....

Killer51883 07-20-2007 09:36 PM

wait you mean there isnt a missle damage master caution on the erj i thought it was hidden in there with the random yellow light rejected take off acomplish memory item in the abnormal section!!

POPA 07-21-2007 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 199444)
wait you mean there isnt a missle damage master caution on the erj i thought it was hidden in there with the random yellow light rejected take off acomplish memory item in the abnormal section!!

That particular master caution is cancelled by the application of brakes, which is why they aren't included in the memory item.

JetJocF14 07-21-2007 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 199210)
Maybe some tried to fire it but it malfunctioned somehow. Unfortunately, it seems like it is only a matter of time before something like this happens.

It's not IF......... It's when.........:mad:

ToiletDuck 07-21-2007 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 199219)
32 memory items? Damn! Who do you work for?

Chautauqua

texaspilot76 07-21-2007 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 199598)
Chautauqua

That's a bunch. We only have 5 memory items at PSA.

JoeyMeatballs 07-21-2007 06:14 PM

I forget how many memory items we have.............:p, Im heading down to the Boardwalk, in Ocean City, if anybody is around, Mack & Mancos pizza on me :)

RedBaron007 07-22-2007 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 199844)
I forget how many memory items we have.............:p, Im heading down to the Boardwalk, in Ocean City, if anybody is around, Mack & Mancos pizza on me :)

Well, Saab....I might have had my differences with you in the past, but I can certainly 100% agree with you on Mack and Manco's.....GREAT STUFF. Enjoy. I'm jealous I'm not eating it right now.

POPA 07-22-2007 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 199844)
I forget how many memory items we have.............:p, Im heading down to the Boardwalk, in Ocean City, if anybody is around, Mack & Mancos pizza on me :)

If you're going to be in Ocean City, why not drive the hour to Rehoboth Beach and get some real pizza at Grotto? :D

AV8ER2 07-22-2007 01:05 PM

Thats crazy, lets hope that nothings really brewing out there and that we're all safe up there and not headed into the trenches again. We're still at "Orange" right?


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