"are you sure the times are right for today? I mean we only need 15 more minutes to make this flight legal..why dont you check your logbook again.. and maybe we can drop that reserve day on sunday"

or how about me saying, "hey i dont think thats legal, because of the 7 day issue" and then "oh dont worry, we can fix that"

Then refuse to fly it.. thats always a treat!

Don't tell me this happened to you and you didn't have somebody hung for it?

Maybe I just haven't been in the right place at the right time yet, because I haven't heard of anything nearly as bad as you guys claim...

It happens, when CS gets desperate to fill seats it's their @ss if they don't find someone, sometimes they do what they feel they have to do legal or not

I think the pilots who accept the illegal trip are as much to blame for that. It's like laughing at a childs bad behavior. Don't encourage it.

Haha I've talked to a bunch of guys that love it after several years... I guess it's what you make of it and where you're based. If you don't like it, why not move. Doesn't sound like a fun time in the 1900 crowd either though. I'm doing the 340... and nobody can make you do an illegal flight... tell them NO and stand by it... I hope you don't get pushed around like that with everything in your lives. Telling people to stay away isn't helping the situation as far as getting more pilots onboard to help out. I can't say I've ever heard of a place where someone wasn't complaining... seems to be an awful lot of people complaining everywhere with every airline or flight school and very few that are willing to step up to the plate and help fix it. Why can't we work together constructively here? Why is everyone else but management getting these complaints? I think it has to do with the superiority complexes you meet in aviation... everyone thinks they're better than that place and even if that's true, it doesn't make the situation better... it's not a perfect world... cut the guys some freakin' slack for giving you the chance to fly something bigger than a 172. A pilot uniform is a pilot uniform when you walk into a bar to pick up some girls lol... I'm grateful that I can work for any airline right now with the hours I have. I was dreading instructing for another 2k hours just to beg for an FO spot on something 1/2 decent. I'm 22, healthy, full of energy, and I want to fly my butt off in anything with 2 or more engines. I already work and do school 7 days a week... and I love every minute of staying busy and being worn out and trying to get pushed around by people... 20 years from now, I might think differently... but until then, whatever goes. However... if conditions improve, they improve :)

You are right, but what does that say about a companies corporate culture?

That is why you have to keep your guard up. I have flown with several FO's who don't truly understand FAA rest regs, thus get themselves into these situations. Sometimes I wonder if they just skip that section in training.

Jesus these two quotes say it all, Give COLGAN some slack becuase they "let" you fly something bigger than a 172, thats the mentality that is allowing them to abuse you............... They dont let you do anything!!!!!!!!!!!, they need you not vice versa:mad:


Whatever happens happens...................??????dont tell me I wasted my time with other ALPA pilots in LGA supporting you guys if this is the mentality of the pilots over there


PS maybe its because your 22 and in reality still a kid, but this is not a hobby or a game, the point is to make money for you and your family, not to tell your buddies you went to ATP with that you fly something bigger than a 172, I fly a EMB-145, its bigger than your SAAB, and my buddy flies a EMB-170..............its bigger than the 145, chances are there will always be an airplane bigger than yours................

No, just the mentality of the trainees. My class was drinking the kool-aid at first, too, but it doesn't take long to come back from the dark side. So far I have only heard of one or two that are not pro-ALPA, and they are just indifferent, not against. Let them get away from the controlled training environment for a while... they'll come around.

Saab,

He'll come around, they always do. It just takes some experience.

Thanks for taking your own personal time to support our efforts to bring the pilots together. You know first hand we have a great bunch of guys/gals here who work hard to accomplish a lot with very little. let's keep working hard, but let's have a say in decisions that will affect our lives. Let's know when a base is going to close beforehand, let's have some accountability on the company to pay us the correct amount. Let's have someone to support us when we have to deal with shady CSers.

Colgan pilots,

"Work hard, play hard, stay hard"

and

"Let's make it better"



"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything."

I second that... I met some great guys from XJT and CAL that spent some of their down time to talk with us and answer questions. I greatly appreciate it, guys, as I am new enough to not know exactly how this all works, but observant enough to know that we most definitely need a number of things to change, and it's not going to happen unless we all come together on it.