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RightSeatDude 07-31-2007 01:54 PM

XJT interview question
 
OK, the infamous "you're 50 miles out at FLXXX and cleared for the approach".

My answer: ask for clearance to an altitude at MSA or higher to a fix on the approach, preferably where I can decend in a hold there if need be.

Anyone have a better answer for this one?

FlyerJosh 07-31-2007 02:02 PM

First question- why are you calling the field from 50 miles out?!?

If you've been cleared for the approach, altitude is at your discretion. You don't need to be cleared to a lower altitude. Proceed via your own nav to a point within the traffic pattern and commence descent to landing.

RightSeatDude 07-31-2007 02:03 PM

Aha! But I suspect we're talking about IMC.


Originally Posted by FlyerJosh (Post 206105)
First question- why are you calling the field from 50 miles out?!?

If you've been cleared for the approach, altitude is at your discretion. You don't need to be cleared to a lower altitude. Proceed via your own nav to a point within the traffic pattern and commence descent to landing.


CloudPilot57 07-31-2007 02:38 PM

umm, maybe I am missing something but what is the question?

contrails 07-31-2007 02:43 PM

They're saying you're cleared for the approach 50 miles out because the scenario is in Mexico.

JoeyMeatballs 07-31-2007 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by CloudPilot57 (Post 206136)
umm, maybe I am missing something but what is the question?

just tell them when you cross the FAF 8,000ft too high, "Sometimes you make it, sometimes you dont" ;) hahaha classic

ficone 07-31-2007 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by RightSeatDude (Post 206103)
OK, the infamous "you're 50 miles out at FLXXX and cleared for the approach".

My answer: ask for clearance to an altitude at MSA or higher to a fix on the approach, preferably where I can decend in a hold there if need be.

Anyone have a better answer for this one?

Since you are cleared the approach, you don't need further clearance to a lower altitude or to a fix. You are already cleared to the initial approach fix, and to an altitude no lower than the one published at the IAF.

You're right though, since you're only 50 miles out (from the field or from the IAF?) and may require an excessive descent rate, you may want to request holding at the IAF or another point where holding is published in order to lose some altitude.

However, holding isn't really a good solution since it = wasted time/gas/$$$, so do what you need to do to lose that altitude both before and during the approach.

FlyerJosh 07-31-2007 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by RightSeatDude (Post 206106)
Aha! But I suspect we're talking about IMC.

Oh. Right. Sorry I don't do that. :p

My plane gets dirty in the clouds. Plus the turbulence spills the passengers wine and makes dinner service so difficult. :D

AnotherPilot 07-31-2007 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 206144)
just tell them when you cross the FAF 8,000ft too high, "Sometimes you make it, sometimes you dont" ;) hahaha classic


funniest thing i've heard in a while

PoBugSmasher 07-31-2007 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by RightSeatDude (Post 206103)
OK, the infamous "you're 50 miles out at FLXXX and cleared for the approach".

My answer: ask for clearance to an altitude at MSA or higher to a fix on the approach, preferably where I can decend in a hold there if need be.

Anyone have a better answer for this one?

I was given the VOR/DME-2, Rwy 26 approach into Mazatlan, with that same scenario.

The answer I gave was to descend in the hold over the VOR, until reaching the minimum holding altitude of 4000, as published, and then just fly the approach.

The idea is to ensure terrain clearance. It sounds as if they often simply "drop" you, and leave you own your on for the approach in Mexico. Most of the approaches I looked at, down there, had a VOR on the field, and a "TMA", (sort of like Class B, or the old TCA), within a 30nm ring or so around the VOR.

Disclaimer: I speak only from my interview experience. I have never flown IFR in Mexico, or part 121. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in and help. But, FWIW, they gave me the job.

PoBugSmasher 07-31-2007 03:19 PM

CloudPilot57: "umm, maybe I am missing something but what is the question?"

It's a "What would you do?" (WWYD) type of interview question. They want to know when and how you will descend, in order to transition from the enroute phase to the published approach, if ATC "leaves you hangin'".


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