Pinnacles new bases and routes
 

I got this off our union website, looks like we filed for an app to fly the 900 out of SLC and LAX
The Destinations include boi, bdl, cle, yyz, bwi, sjc, abq, aus, eug, phx, tus, slc, lax, and rno


Must be a couple through flights from bdl becuase that is way out of range.



By the way, dont bother reading everything past the part where it lists the cities, its all non relavent stuff.

true, i have been saying this for a while now. also we will be getting a little more than double the 900's that have been announced... you heard it from me, and you have heard the truth.

oh I know about the other 900's but until official stuff comes out I hate saying it becuase everyone gets all riled up. Plus I plan on not being here at pinnacle when that all happens and hopefully flying for a major

What Rate are you guys getting for flying the 900s

The arbitrator gets to decide for them. Which will be at the end of November, AFTER everyone has bid for it already. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

I like how the chief pilots Social Security number is listed in that PDF. Classic.

I am very interested in SLC as long as the pay is better and it doesn't go super senior and I can still upgrade next July...

I guess that means ATL is out of the question. Oh well, I'll just stay at DTW.

Does this mean that Pinnacle will have an LAX and SLC pilot domicile? What are the chances of a new FO getting one of those? (I expect the captains will go pretty senior since it's all 900 flying, right?)

WTFO? Aren't you guys ALPA. Why would an arbitrator decide. Doesn't sound like a sweet deal to me.

Here's any idea.

NOBODY bid until you get 130$/hr left seat and 95$/hr right seat.

Ready? GO!

but...but...but...Delta LOVES Skywest and would never have DCI competition in SLC!

Seriously question: how in FARK are you guys gonna staff those growth 900s having so many low-time FOs, even after dropping upgrade minimums? The 9E crews I've shared vans with recently have said you can't even staff your NWA -200 flying.

Good luck getting a fair arbitrated payrate for both seats...and then getting even better in your contract negotiations!

page 90 and 91 were interesting...make sure you guys pay attention to how little, in comparison to overall expenses, labor costs are...and about what they *MIGHT* need to do to retain pilots!! MAYBE you can make this a must!!

STOP ACCEPTING SUBPAR WAGES FOR LARGER PLANES!!! :mad::mad:

I'm pretty sure their ALPA contract stipulates that if there is no rate for a new aircraft, and the company cannot come to an agreement, it will go to arbitration and the rate will be "market average". So thanks to Mesa and Skywest...it's gonna be pretty low. Unfortunately.

The sad thing is, the Pinnacle pilots will upgrade quickly and get out while all of us at "good" regionals that have a union that refuses to take on additional flying at "market" rates will still be around as FO's at the regional level, with no job security...I'm thinking of making the Pinnacle jump myself as a Street CA.

Are they really actively hiring street captains?

If so, and you decide that's what is best for you, best of luck...you're senior to me! :p

For Detroit, I believe so, yes. They can't fill the upgrade classes.

The contract doesn't contain a "market-average" statement, but it does require binding arbitration if an agreement can't be reached within 30 days of the aircraft beginning operations. This is pretty standard for an ALPA contract.

Ah OK, thanks for clarifying. I guess it's anyone's best guess as to what rate he/she will award then! Yikes!

i will take the time to answer all your questions before i head out to pentagon city to get some margaritas at chevys on our 14 hour layover.


Yes, pncl will have a lax, and slc base. which will open first, and how many planes will be at each is still up in the air. if you were getting hired now you probably could get one of the bases but not immediatly. and no, i don't think the flying will go senior, we are a east coast airline, with very few people living near the west coast. i am pretty sure no one wants to commute just to fly the 900's.


as part of the agreement if a deal can't be reached then the arbitrator will decide. this pay rate however will not automatically be rolled into the next contract, and yes we are asking for more in negotiations.

that my friend is the question, we can't even staff the planes we have, we aren't going to lose the 15 planes to mesaba as previously stated, and we are getting 17 900's with a lot more to come,, (delta didn't sign a 10 year agreement with us to only fly 17 planes, in 2 different bases).
i am not expecting the arbitrator pay to be even close to the amount the union is asking for, and i also think that we will get a contract soon. after all nwa finally admitted they made mistakes with the pilot wages and work schedules and have backed off on them considerably. uncle phil will soon follow.


since you obviously know nothing about this pilot group i will just assume you made this statement in complete ignorance. we never accepted a contract to get this flying, we have been in negotiations for a little more than 2 1/2 years. the pilot group did nothing to get this flying, just like we did nothing to lose the 900's that mesaba got. we don't care about more or bigger planes, what we care about is a fair contract. that is what we are fighting for. pncl pilots are one of the only regionals out there that didn't accept a **** poor contract for the promise of more flying, or bigger planes. we didn't when the company was on the verge of losing the nwa flying, and we wont when we finally get the contract we deserve.

pinnacle isn't hiring street captains technically. you would have to get hired as an fo, then put your bid in for captain. now for the reality of it all, if you were to get hired today, and put your bid in for captain, you would have it almost immediatly since even on the last vacancy there were 12 unfilled captain spots. i said in a previous post i met a mesaba guy that has been here 6 months and is a line captain now. he waited at mesaba for 5 years, wasteing his carrer away hopeing that he would some day make captain and get his pic.

not actively hiring street captains, but close enough.

Oh, thats right! I forgot about that industry leading contract you guys accepted a while back that takes a Capt or F/O 7 YEARS to get what he/she could get at many other regionals in year two or three :D...plus all those wonderful work rules you were able to get!

Truth is, you sold your souls years ago for the growth that was going to go to Mesaba...but hey, at least now you are standing up for yourselves....after you got the growth you wanted...

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. For starters, virtually no one is left at Pinnacle that was around back in 2000 when the current agreement was negotiated. No one from that MEC and one member of the NC from that period is still involved. Also, the rates negotiated at that time were industry-average rates. Nobody at Pinnacle "sold their souls" for that growth.

wasn't here at the time. infact, i would say that 10 percent or less of the people that voted for that contract are still here today. everyone regrets it, and we obviously wont be burned twice. it is a different time, and a different place.

after reading some of your post it looks like you work for pinnacle, is that right? if not who do you work for?


this is all a correct statement.

Keep in mind that this is all short term flying for Delta. They also know what kind of product is delivered by cheap carriers like Mesa and Pinnacle. Pinnacle manages to operate at one of the higest profit margins (see yahoo finance) and lowest operating costs (labor). Way to go!

Don't know what you're talking about. Pinnacle has the highest on-time percentage and completion factor of any CRJ-200 operator. They also held that distinction for Saab operator when they operated Saab 340s. Pinnacle offers an excellent CRJ product, even though they are cheap. Can't say the same for Mesa.

True, and this is a testament to the hard-working folks at 9E. You gotta admit though, the location of Northwest's hubs is a HUGE contributing factor in this.

US Airways' operation is f'ed up, but that's not the only reason, or even the main reason, their on-time performace sucks. PHL, LGA, BOS, 30 mile finals in CLT at 150kts play a HUGE role in this.

Ever been to DTW? If there's even a cloud somewhere over Youngstown, OH, then you can expect to turn base sometime after passing Pontiac, MI on downwind to DTW. :)

Seriously, though, you're right about USAir's route system playing a role. Any route system that depends so heavily on connecting flights through PHL or LGA is going to incur huge delays and cancellations on a regular basis.

I've been to DTW a ton recently...the Four Points is SWEET since they renovated it, and there's a Starbucks right beside our gate.

I love it when the DTW approach controllers issue us 22R, have us turn a 12 mile base at 10,000 and THEN give us a descent while asking "can you make it down?"

First, the comment of stop accepting subpar wages was meant to be something for all of us to remember, including the people STILL locked in negotiations. But since this got spun into me apparently attacking 9E, here goes...

[/QUOTE]For starters, virtually no one is left at Pinnacle that was around back in 2000 when the current agreement was negotiated. No one from that MEC and one member of the NC from that period is still involved. Also, the rates negotiated at that time were industry-average rates.[/QUOTE]

Do you recall ANY of the contracts that places like Comair, ASA, AWAC, XJET signed around 2000? What Pinnacle accepted back then wasn't industry average. But I guess if only being average is what you were shooting for...

Exactly! So just remember...EVERYONE (not just Pinnacle) needs to stop accepting sub-par rates!! Learn from the past, otherwise we are all doomed to repeat the past.

Like Boiler said, that reflects on the workforce. But when all of the hubs you operate out of have 72+% on-time performance factors, as reported for YTD by the DOT, I would certainly hope so! I'd take DTW any day over any of the east coast airports.

Xjet is only a few points behind 9E, and they get the pleasure of dealing with EWR that has a 56% on-time factor, that is impressive. Even PHL has a 65% on-time rate and that place blows!

The CMR and AWAC contracts were signed in '01, one year after the PCL agreement. The XJET contract was signed in '03, three years after the PCL agreement. The ASA agreement was signed just a bit before the PCL contract, but if you look at the rates, they're pretty danged close with the exception of the 2nd and 3rd year FO rates. You may not like it, but the fact remains that the agreement signed at PCL was industry-standard at the time it was signed.

think he's talkin bout the high percentages of bent up CRJ's and runway overruns. but just my guess.
"welcome to the grassy side of the runway, we will deplane into a crew bus shortly, the good news is we are on time" :)