Mesa and ASA???
 

I know this may be a dumb question....but I need to ask it since I start class at ASA on Aug. 27th. A former regional pilot told me this morning that ASA is on the chopping blocks and that Mesa would aquire them and for me to be ready to be a Mesa pilot....I have not heard this ever.... please someone tell me if they had heard this or if this is even possible?? Im sorry it "could" be possible...anything goes in this industry...just let me know your thoughts...thank you in advance...I think I threw up in my mouth when he said i could be a Mesa pilot :)

ASA is owned by SkyWest, who recently purchased them. They also make them a lot of money. I doubt SkyWest would sell them. I think you're OK :).

I was just wondering what you have against Mesa? Aren't all the regionals pretty much the same? Also, I was wondering what kind of times you got hired with?

OMG I think I just puked a little in my mouth... WWAAAYYY off base I promise.


maybeesdid, Uhhh... I don't know what planet your from but QOL, work rules, compensation these are very important things to pilots and if you even only visit the boards once in a blue moon I still think there is a thread about how Mesa is horrible.
Example (a.) http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa
"Mass Pilot Exodus, Low Morale Cause Concern for Mesa Pilot Leadership"

Example (b) http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa
Ellen congratulating Mesa pilots for there move. (if you read the boards you know Ellen)

Example (c)
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=mesa
Its a locked thread but... "Mesa pilot steals an Ipod" Just the kind of people I want to work for

Example (d)
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...-lcc/mesa.html
Stock not over $6 a share (I am no genius but thats low), the increase in pay from first and second year is ONE DOLLAR!!!


Hope I this helps out. I do like Mesa Pilots, I just don't like Mesa. As for ASA being bought by Mesa if that was the case I wold tie my own noose.

~Mike

ya , Mohaupt i def agree with you, I like Mesa pilots , just not their company....Mohaupt, you working at ASA?? If so how do you like it so faR???

Holy sh*t! I came to ASA from Mesa (Air Midwest) for a reason; that place sucks! If this were to come true (and I doubt it), I would be the first to quit (and re-think my career path altogether). I have too much respect for myself and my family to stay with such a lousy outfit. Seriously, I would rather not be a pilot than work for J.O. and Mesa.

I heard it was a three way deal between mesaba asa and mesa and the airline was going to be called
Mesasaba

maybeesdid, Uhhh... I don't know what planet your from but QOL, work rules, compensation these are very important things to pilots and if you even only visit the boards once in a blue moon I still think there is a thread about how Mesa is horrible.

mohaupt, I have only been on the forum for a short time, but know my fair share about the industry. It is my opinion that QOL, work rules, and compensation suck across the board at the regionals and with that said the regionals serve only one purpose of breeding major airline pilots. If anyone actually plans to make a career at a regional I feel sorry for them. So, therefore, the only thing that matters to me when it comes to regionals is how fast I can get my time and get out. I've heard horror stories about them all. But Mesa pilots appear to be moving on to a real job just like pilots from the other regionals.

Apparently you don't...you appear uninformed and naive in you response.

Please explain.

To be honest with you my time at ASA has been short so far. I just passed my check ride last night. Picked up my wings today, have orientation on Monday and possibly my first trip on the 16 (will know more by Monday).

My thoughts so far. I love this place, yeah it has its pros and cons but the guys that I have met here so far have been some of the best guys I have met since college. All the captains I have met/talked to are great.


It will be a good time I promise you will be happy even if the upgrade time isn't as fast at Mesa :-)

~m

The first thing I read about Mesa was their profile about 12-18 months ago in the Airline Pilot Careers Magazine. The article cast a real positive light on the company. I mentioned that in a post over on APTAP a while back and I was quickly directed to this forum.

While people complain about every regional (except Horizon, no one seems to say anything bad about them) you will see most of the complaints countered by someones positive experiences. However, with the numerous Mesa threads and (seemingly or literally) thousands of posts about them it is next to impossible to find any positive or uplifiting comments that would make me want to work for them.

For the vast majority of pilots out there the regionals are just a stepping stone to a bigger and better paying airline; my takeaway from the Mesa threads on this forum is that you can combine the worst qualities of every other regional to try and create the ugliest company to work for and it would still be a better place to work at then Mesa.

Someone try and convince me otherwise. Do your own research and form your own opinion. Just my 2cents.

First off, workrules and QOL vary greatly amongst the regionals. There's a big difference between working for a SKW or XJT and Mesa. Second, 1000 PIC turbine is no longer a golden ticket to the majors. It's foolish to think in the market right now that you will get your time and get out. It may change in the future but there's been a lot of guys stuck longer than they thought they'd be. So, you should care about where you go because if it takes 8, 9, 10 years, etc., to get out, you'll wish you hadn't sacrificed better QOL working for a Mesa type place that long. Lastly, with RJ's getting larger and continuing to parallel and in many cases take over mainline routes, they are no longer just a training ground for the majors. They will be a final stop for many. Some by choice, some not. Not everyone flying an RJ today will make it to a major. You have few posts on this forum but state you know about the industry. Just curious as to you flight experience and working history within aviation? Also, if you haven't even made it in this industry let alone to a major, who the hell are you to feel sorry for anyone that has already accomplished more than you have yet to do professionally?

congrats Mohaupt on getting your wings! Hope to see you on the line in a few months!!!

that was a good one pinnacle

Not really. Some are much better than others. Especially with things such as pay, treatment of crew members, crew training and equipment. There really is quite a spectrum of company pros and cons.

ONE GOOD Reason. . . .

MESA only pays their pilots Average Block. Let me explain.

Most Pilots get paid from the time the MCD (Main Cabin Door) closes to the time it opens. EXCEPT at MESA.

Scenario: MESA boards pilots at small town, USA, it's :30 from ORD. They taxi out to the end of the runway and the controller tells MESA that ORD has a ground stop for weather and to expect a 2 hour delay. MESA pilots would only get paid for :30 , although they sat at the end of the runway for 2 hours.

At other regional airlines, the pilots would get paid 2:30 for the :30 flight.

How to translate into a paycheck if you are earning $20/hr.

MESA: $10
OTHER AIRLINES: $50 (500% more)

In my opinion, MESA is "NOT" the airline of choice to work for, now or ever. In fact, UAL is trying to tear up their feeder contract the best they can. With all the service stipulations that UAL has placed on MESA, it will be SOON, that MESA will no longer be flying for UAL.