New E195 Certified In US
 

DC9/F100/737-200 replacement. Fewer mainline jets = fewer mainline jobs.

FA? That you? Nice to have ya!

I don't have a problem with the E190/195 replacing other narrowbodies...as long as they are flown by mainline pilots at mainline payrates under mainline work rules.

So far the E190 is operated by Jet Blue and US Airways mainline (talking domestic airlines only here). The precedent has been set, and so far the mainline unions have not budged on scope to the point that 190's and especially 195's would be allowed on a regional property. While it has taken a while, I feel the majority of mainline pilots at every company have finally realized the negative consequences of relaxing scope, and understand that 5 extra dollars an hour will never make up for not having a job in a few years.

I just dont get it, how ac that size can be considered regional??? What's next E200 with 150pax??? Seriously, nice to see new planes, but just because the company has a history of building regional jets, does not mean that all of their products should be flown by regional pilots. Just my opinion.

The reason you don't get it is because it isn't a regional jet. It's a mainline aircraft, flown by mainline pilots. :)

it is a "regional jet" in that its design mission is comparable to other regional jets of the modern era, not modern mainline aircraft. The plane is not nearly capable of trans-continental flight... in fact a 1200 miles flight with real IFR fuel is about it for the type. Sure, mainline aircraft used to be subject to the same leg length and weight restrictions, but Fokkers and DC-9s are hardly modern. Compared to the 737 and A320, the E170-E195 is not nearly competitive in the airliner market. However, add Regional Jet to the moniker, and expectations lower immediately. Using Regional Jet is just a marketing ploy, aimed at getting airlines to compare it to CRJs, 145s, Do-Jets, and all the props out there. This makes the 170/190 stand out in a crowd. If Embraer tried to market this plane as a true airliner, it would not have sold a quarter of what it has.

I don't think Embraer is trying to market the E190/195 as an "RJ", but as a replacement for the aging 100 seat mainline aircraft such as the DC-9, or as a way to capture new or bigger markets that wouldn't support a 737 or A320 with 30%-50% more seating capacity. One shouldn't compare it to a 737NG or A320 because it's not even in the same league as them. They are for different markets.

The "next" market is the 100 seat jet. Ideally, it was what all the mainline carriers are moving towards as long as they can provide a higher seat per mile, etc. and provide the reduction on fuel. This is one reason why the 70 seat and 90 seat RJs are taking over the market and the 50 is dead. Basically, they are just more profitable and efficient in every way. Now do what the 70 has done to the 50 with what the 90 can offer, you have the market of 90-100 seat jets. As the podunk airports start to expand and more of the residents start to go more places, the 90-100 seater plane will come to rise.

http://www.ruleof70to110.com/main/index.html <-- good info

Yep. <-- F.A. Got a little tired of the antics over on that "other" message board.

I hear that.......

Everyone keeps going on about how the 190/195 should be flown by mainline pilots for mainline rates... stop me if I am wrong, but aren't ALL 190's being flown by mainline (or mainline-like Jet Blue) pilots? What exactly are we complaining about? Are you upset that mainline pilots are flying these airplanes? Or that the MAINLINE pilots AGREED to fly these planes for regional rates?

Mainline pilots need to fly the aircraft that are replacing mainline aircraft...regardless if the payrate is "regional" or not. It can be the bottom airframe at a major, or the top airframe at a regional.

Which would would YOU prefer it to be?

bottom line there are too many regional jets!

Well I think you better buckle up then, I firmly believe that its really just getting started. The so called mainline carriers will be more and more involved in LONG haul / transcon / international flying and the so called regionals are going to do more and more of the mid length flying. It is what it is... and what is has become.....I think there will be some upward pressure on regional pay scales as the number of REALLY qualified pilots dwindles. Personally find it pretty amazing what the mins are at some of carriers now. But again, that is just a sign of the times.

No the REAL BOTTOM LINE is that there are too many BOTTOM FEEDER PILOTS willing to fly those Regional Jets for 20 and 50 bucks an hour.

And remember. Nobody wants to "Scope you out". We want to scope out the crappy pay.

Too bad mainline pilots didn't scope out that flying for themselves a decade ago.

Otherwise, this "BOTTOM FEEDER PILOT" RJ pilot agrees with you...

So what's the "Smart Thing" to do? We should all stop flying and then we'll show them right?

I'm amazed at how many post's include this bull! It doesn't even make sense.