pilots around the world look to strike, where are the americans?
 

ALPA, where are you?

Austrailia
http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/28/2017964.htm
Germany http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited...fx4060715.html
Ireland
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...cle2866917.ece

USA... woohoo
http://www.tricities.com/tristate/tr...8-29-0005.html


Someone needs to stand up for this profession. Is a democratic white house the answer?


-sick of paycheck to paycheck.

I agree, enough is enough, I dont know what the hell XJT is going to do when CAL pulls another large chunk of our flying away.............

You want to see the effect of a Democratic administration on the airline industry?

Google Jimmy Carter and the Airline Deregulation Act.

Just out of morbid curiosity, What changes occurred during the Clinton administration's reign?

I don't want Hilary in the White House, but if the pendulum theory holds true I hope we can go with the lesser of two evils (Barrack).

One article said in Austrailia that the lowest paid pilots made $35,000. That shows just how much we put up with.

Good luck to all of you at ASA, get everything you can from them even if means you walk.

Or try "Ronald Reagan air traffic control strike"! The issue is not Democrats vs. Republicans.

The issue is that NMB is controlled by the president and until we get a new one (one who is sympathetic to labor) no pilot group will be given authorization to strike and nothing will chance.

Reminder
 

Hi All, just a reminder that this board is NOT the venue for discussion of politics pro or con.

Thanks.

"This board is NOT a venue for the discussion of politics, pro or con". Going out on a limb here I have to say; how curious. APC is a board with a huge variety of professional pilots participating from a variety of labor perspectives (and a variety of unions) and we're "not" allowed to "talk politics". Due to the mudslinging that often occurs during "politics on discussion boards" I completely understand the conventional wisdom why this "isn't allowed", and most other boards are the same way. But then, in a way, its a pity "politics" on APC are not allowed. I'm fairly certain the people and organizations who influence the labor climate for what it is pretty much don't have this quasi self-imposed censorship. Perhaps thats a factor in their success.

i think that if the politics affect us and the industry it should be discussed

I also agree that it should be discussed in an intelligent and mature manner. Unfortunately, if this forum were open to political debate it would quickly degenerate in to an 'I'm right, you're wrong' flame war.

However, it can not be denied that every part of aviation from puddle jumping Cubs to intercontinental 747's is affected by politics.

I dont totally buy that.. what can they do if No Pilots show up for work for 3 days..... its not like the ATC during the President Reagan era.. they just cant go out and get Millitary Pilots to fly for all the airlines, and even if they could Last time I checked we are at war and the Ops Tempo of the Military is too high to take on anything new, how ever it will never happen because their are always people out there who are selfish and would work for peanuts.. speaking of peanuts... when you pay your work group peanuts you will get a circus...{Mesa, Colgan, Gojets}

All those new hires that are bragging about Xjet and how it is AMAZING and the branded flying is AMAZING, and the whole place is AMAZING, might not be saying that when ur flying is pulled and it comes down to them......just an idea... I have SEVERAL friends that just got on there and WONT SHUT UP!!! A regionals a regional, just shut up already

Take a pill buddy. Yeah XJT is great and i'm very happy to be where I am. But most if not all the people I know who work here all agree it could always be better. So take it like a man cause you sound like you wish you were here aswell. We need to unite so we can get a decent wage.

you think it would be cool if CAL pulled flying from one of the higher paying regionals? sure, i bet you think its awesome to give business to cheapa$$ed companies like gojet and colgan. that's great for our profession.

in other words, you support lowering the bar. i'd love to fly with you.

a regional is not a regional. mesa's standup overnights are not the same as a nice duty day at XJT or Skywest. that's like saying, a ford is a bmw.

Don't act like your routes in the ERJ didn't take anything away from a mainline carrier.

35000 Australian dollars. About 28000 US. Still poop.

WOW! This thread starts off about a strike, then gets into politics, now its my regional is better then yours. No wonder they pay you so little.

For the record, Paok's post didn't say nor insinuate your presumed assumption AT ALL.

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Oh relax would you, I am just tired of HEARING all about Xjet from my friends who work there.....THATS IT BUDDY! A Regionals a regional to an extent.....excluding places like msa tsa colgan....for the most part, AWAC, XJET, ASA, Skywest, Comair, Chataq, etc. etc. etc.. are pretty similiar.... RELAX

Back to the topic,

A labor-tolerant President is a pre-requisite for any job action undertaken to protect the profession. While Geo. W. clearly is not on our side, Republicrat or Demipublican labels don't make much difference.

Hillary was on the BOD of Wal-Mart. I'm not sure if that makes her a Liberative or a Conservable, but I would say it makes her not the most Labor friendly candidate on the trail. Of course, any candidate banking the kind of cash the front runners are is probably going to favor business intrests over labor - Labor Unions can't compete with that kind of Jack, because 1) There are a lot fewer Union members than there used to be. and 2) The ones that are left are making (relatively) less than thier predecessors, and thus have less money to bribe, er, contribute to Pols.

But an active Union membership can still make a difference. 2000 was decided by hundreds of votes in FLA. If all the hotel maids in MIA were unionized, and block voted for the popular vote winner... well, we'd be writing a very different history book.

An active Union membership can make as big a difference in your congressional districts too, which is perhaps more important long term. A pro labor Congress can stymie an executive trying to roll back our rights. Rights gained 100 years ago. Rights literally paid for with men's lives. If you will support your Union's political activity with your time, talent and treasure, you Union will become more important to the Pols, thus more powerful, and thus more able to deliver the results we are looking for.

To mix metaphors, we may have lost our home run threat (the strike), but we can still play small ball and win the game. Its harder, will take longer, and clearly isn't as sexy, but it is an achievable outcome.

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Didn't Clinton stop one of the legacy (UAL?) carriers from walking?

Political parties aside, nothing is going to change until EVERBODY on the front lines steps up. All we hear in the media is how poor customer service is. How the pilots, flight attendants, CSRs, rampers, ATC and so forth is doing a crappy job. We're working harder, for less while the executives are making bank and giving themselves bonuses. You get asshats like Carty who get fired from AA only to be picked up by Virgin America.

It's time for all of us to step it up, picket, take out ads in local papers, whatever it takes. The paying customer only sees us. They only see the two hour delays. They don't realize that we may not be getting paid during those delays. They'll never understand that we're sitting on the ramp because we value our lives and the lives of our passengers much more than we'd value flying through a TS and risking it. They don't understand that we don't all make six figures and work ten days per month. We need to do something about it, but rather than "look at how rough I have it" we need to do something different. Something like "we work our butts off for less than we made 10 years ago and our bosses keep giving themselves raises."

We are our own worst enemies. You'll always have somebody that's willing to do the same job for less just to say they do it. There are people willing to pay four years worth in salary at a pilot factory to "get a leg up". This is where it needs to stop. Have some damn respect for yourself, and others in this profession.

regionals all over fly mainline routes now. its not cool but it happened. and the regionals didn't decide to do it... the mainline carriers did. regionals are just contracted cheaper labor.