PSA or ASA
 

If you had to chose between ASA or PSA who would you chose and why?

I was looking at some of the gouges and saw that ASA is hiring guys with less than 300tt! :eek: That's the lowest I have ever seen, even lower then PSA. Very scary.

I've heard of a guy getting hired at Piedmont with the ink still wet on his temporary multi commercial. 250/25 I think were the times I heard...not sure the truth of that...

A good buddy of mine has been at ASA since April, and he loves it there. I hear their work rules are pretty decent as well as the training they give ya. They need a contract though; however he told me they just agreed on a new payscale. 1st yr FO pay will be a few dollars more (I forget exactly what it is) and 2nd yr FO pay will be $37/hr. Doesn't sound bad at all.

I would choose ASA because I live 8 miles from the Headquarters and Iused to be a ramp agent there about ten years ago

I have heard that too. 1st year is now 23$

I do love all the love/hate pm's though. Just wish you guys would post them here ;)

1st year pay is now 23? I havnt heard that... where did you see it?

:eek::eek: Any official reference on when this was agreed upon?????

No new payrates are close to being agreed upon. These figures are only proposals

Ok so what exactly is the hold up. And whos fault is it that this is taking so long?:confused::confused:

MREGAN Pm'ed me with that info.

See why it is better to post your reply here?

Management refuses to negotiate seriously. Even worse, the Federal mediator refuses to do anything about it. He has been asked twice (first by Duane Worth, second by John Prater) to release the pilots into the 30 day cooling-off period and twice denied it with no reasons given. The National Mediation Board is a Republican majority, hence an extension of the President's "no strikes on my watch" policy. We must amend the RLA to give timelines and deadlines and penalties for not meeting them.

nothings been set in stone but that is what was told to us in training that that is what was being proposed but was not definite....22 or 23 buck i cant remember, something like that, but if the contract ever gets taken care of, there will be a pay increase for everyone.

Nothing has been agreed, no pay scale , no raise.
Pay scale are still based on a contract that was negotiated in 1998.
We are not seeing the end of the tunnel.
for those who love ASA so much, I will be happy to hear from you in a year, after you have been abused by scheduling or found yourself furloughed because of lack of growth or aircraft transfer to skywest.
People are great at ASA, the operation performances are horrible.
Management is totally clueless.
Our flights never run on time, 53% on time arrival for august, No customer services, aircrafts always broken, pilot fatigue, poor scheduling, low morale and so on.
3 bases have closed in the past 2 years.
Delta travel benefits are now worthless.
Medical benefits have been reduced.
Most schedules are non commutable and inneficient.
You will get a cookie as yearly bonus for christmass.
The 300 hours requirement for new hire speak for itself.
They cannot recruit enough pilots due to Massive exodus.
Asa is slowly disintegrating and it is exactly the will of Skywest management.
I would join ASA only if I lived in ATL or not meet the hours requirement for other carrier.
If you plan on joining, build your hours for 6 month and go elsewhere to a brighter future, than its OK.
Propjet

Wow! So PSA is looking better after your post. I might skip the interview offer then. They want you to stay two days but don't pay for the hotel and there is no mention of how we are suppose to get to the interview. Says a lot to me. First impressions, not very good. They don't seem very organized and furthermore they don't seem to care. Someone should send them a memo.

Can someone explain how they are affiliated with Skywest? I have heard so many good things about Skywest but ASA seems to be on a whole different level compared.

ASA is a wholly-owned subsidiary of SKYW. As for what their master plan for ASA is, I honestly don't know. When they bought ASA, I honestly thought it would get better, but somehow it got worse.

Yeah from what i read on here PSA sounds like the better bet. But what do i know? Nothing...
BTW what are your hours?

av8tr

You finally get it.
A carrier who invites you for an interview, but expect you to pay for your hotel. That speak for itself how cheap they are. Don't expect respect.
they can't even recruit flight attendants.
By the way, F/A makes more money in their first year than new hires F/O.
Until they beg you to come, and giving us a better contract.
You got the power in your hand.
the Industry needs pilots so bad, that you have the choice to pick up whatever carrier you want to work with.
Skywest, chitaqua, AE, Coex, PSA, are much better than ASA.
Good luck with your choice.
Propjet

ASA, I live in base.

can't argue with that.
Welcome aboard!!!

Prop jet how long have you been w/ ASA? just curious, I know things are bad, and you are correct, MORALE stinks right now, I knew what I was getting into coming here, but if or if ever the contract gets settled, things will turn around, however it s a roll of the dice, what isnt really in this industry these days right LOL??

mregan.
Cant' give you any personal info, management reads those posts.
Tought the same thing you did a few years back.
Things got worse since.
We will get that contract, only if we get released by NMB an we threaten to go on strike .
The chances of being released are so thin, that I would not count on that.
Give me one good reason, why the NMB would release us?
In waiting, the pilots are ****ed off and operational performances disastrous.
When you are in ATL monitor 130.15 our MTC freq, you will hear how poor our reliability is.
The company is still making money, but Big Delta is tired of US, and it wont be long before we get the boot out of Atlanta.
I think it is exactly what skywest management wants.
they will blame the pilots then and bring their non union labor and asked them to work for cheaper wages in exchange for growth.
I wouldn't be surprise if you see no growth at ASA in the next years with a bunch of aircraft or flying transfer to skywest.
Scope is the most important section in our contract if we want to survive.
But then, who cares, everybody is bailing out. Skywest pilots are so gung ho on remaining non Union and singing kumbaya its not long before they are gonna get shafted Mesa style.

look a the facts, open your eyes: 3 bases closure in the past 3 years, the all ATL ground force got laid off. Half of our mechanics on the ramp have been transfered or resigned. with the travel benefits gone south, Most F/As are going to resign because they can't afford to commute or travel.. G.O moving to the Hangar, I wonder how many are going to be laid off as a result. And An ASA management telling us that we are doing great and feeding us lies.
If they could bring cheap labor from overseas and replace us all, they would do it in a heartbeat.
They love new hires, because they work for cheap.
I will repeat for the new guys, think long and hard before joining ASA.
Propjet

I just confirmed that ASA's first year pay is 19 an hour! That's the lowest I have seen yet. They said they were in negotiations for pay increase but how likely and how long is that?

I just got an exclusive piece of hesay shesay info, that might go down if the possibility comes up, sometime soon, this millenia, from an insider, who was outside listening to the negotiations as they were taken place...............NEVER!!!:rolleyes:

But seriously it seems like more drastic measures need to be taken and also some risks need to be taken. Doesnt seem like the pilots are being taken seriously.:( Now this is from an outside standpoint....Correct me if Im wrong please

Mregan

Keep up the positive attitude. That's the least we can do. I know some people are going to hate us for it but we as the new guys are totally driven by passion for flying. In the end, it will all pay off for the guys that were patient and positive. I have no doubts about that. There is a little saying that crappy things happen to crappy people. If you look at history........it plays itself true in the majority of the cases. We are just going to have to keep doing what we love to do with the mindset that the evil empire will one day collapse and better days will come.

HAHAHAHA...Mesa is now a verb.

Back to Youtube....

Afterburn81 is exactly right.

Guys, it is fine to dream and to love what you truly enjoy, flying and flowers and so on.
Come back to earth as it is rough out there.
When faced with bills to pay, fatigue, stress, low morale, uncertainty, the only thing you have left to enjoy is flying. But is it enough?

Propjet

What about a BNA guy. Where should I go? Considering ASA. Hey its not MESA:D ASA is a 45 min flit from home. Eagle would be 1:20 to DFW but at least 4 yr CA ug. And thats if things get better or it will be the 7 year fo ride. Seems like ASA can only get better. Right?:p Hey I flew cargo for a while and sat in hotels for days on end in a double occupancy room staring at the CA. I won't say where. Thats abuse. I guess its all about perspective.

Its a 5 minute drive for me to get to Hartsfield, I live 3 miles south of runway 10-28. Given those circumstances, which regional would you guys choose if you had 500+ and 140? And Why? And please dont limit yourself to just PSA and ASA.

you would be stupid if you did not go to asa...i say again stupid and would have to be smacked if you didnt at least interview and try to go there. PSA sucks anyways...

Expand on this please.

you live next to ATL. how many people in this forum say you want to live in base. i mean unless you want to commute and wait for a 5 year upgrade then go to PSA.

if you have 500 hrs you should take the first job that comes along. And then see how you like it. Nothing will stop you from making a lateral move to a better company once you have some jet time under your belt.

I know someone who works at psa who would tell you everything that propjet told you, only substitue a p at the beginning of asa. Every carrier has its problems, and there are some positive things too.

PSA, like other companies, has hired people with less than 300 total and less than 20 multi, according to simulator instructors that I know.

Living in base is worth everything in my opinion. I would suggest that you look closely at any job that is either in your town or in a town that you would be excited to move to. I would have gone crazy by now if I had to commute by air.

As for the 5 year upgrade at PSA, look for that to change. Things were slow there for a while, but they have picked up substantially now. I think it will be in the 2-3 year range spring, and that's no sugar-coated recruiting pitch. We are about to lose 70 captains to the mainline, and the training department is at max capacity (as they should have been 6 months ago) just to try and keep things running. With other non-regional companies picking up hiring, attrition is only going to increase also. If you are really concerned about the details of the upgrade time, I can get out the latest upgrade award and tell you where they are now.

One other note, that you can take for whatever it's worth- I don't know about ASA, but PSA doesn't have a training contract. Keep that in mind in case you feel like the stakes are too high.

Ok first off, if you read my first post properly I said: "Do not limit yourself to just PSA and ASA....." in your responses to my question.

Second off Ive already spoken to the manager of hiring at ASA.

Good you want to be home based period. hope you get it