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RAH or EAGLE
this will be my first 121 job and i have been offered both places. im having a hard time deciding where to go, i live near ORD which would mean commuting with RAH to indy or STL. what are the crash pads like in indy or STL? any info on eagle would be good are the upgrade times coming down. any info on either would be great the good and the bad.
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What RAH certificate did you get. Shuttle has an ORD base.
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i got CHQ for the 145, im sure that means indy or STL
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Regardless, I'd still go with CHQ.. who wants to wait 5-10+ years to upgrade; even if you can live in base.
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The commute from ORD to either STL or IND should be doable. Lots of flights to STL. The drive to either would be reasonable.
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
(Post 227631)
Regardless, I'd still go with CHQ.. who wants to wait 5-10+ years to upgrade; even if you can live in base.
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Determine your priorities among these factors:
1) Where you'd be living/based and commuting issues 2) Pay/Work rules 3) Equipment 4) Industry reputation 5) Expected career progression/upgrade/where people go when they leave 6) How well others like working for each company 7) How well you think the company will fare in this dog eat dog world (usually anybody's guess, but use your crystal ball if you have it) See which one does the best among your top priorities. Remember what is right for others is not necessarily right for you. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 227656)
Um, guys who DON'T have a sense of entitlement. That's who.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 227656)
Um, guys who DON'T have a sense of entitlement. That's who.
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this is what i am asking people anyone that is a RAH or eagle pilot please let me know how it is, about the work rules im not sure what i should be looking for with those, like i said this will be my first 121 job and i really dont have a clue about them, are the work rule for these companies online somewhere
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Originally Posted by Quagmire
(Post 227800)
That is one of the most idiotic statements that I have read in a long time.
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Originally Posted by Quagmire
(Post 227800)
That is one of the most idiotic statements that I have read in a long time.
Regardless of what aircraft you get I honestly believe RAH is a much better company. |
Originally Posted by MS1095
(Post 227625)
this will be my first 121 job and i have been offered both places. im having a hard time deciding where to go, i live near ORD which would mean commuting with RAH to indy or STL. what are the crash pads like in indy or STL? any info on eagle would be good are the upgrade times coming down. any info on either would be great the good and the bad.
Living in base makes all the difference in the world. In ORD you will not sit reserve as soon as there is anybody junior to you. The latest perm bid is calling for 95 ORD ERJ FOs. In other words, Eagle has about 25% fewer FOs in ORD then they need. You will fly, fly, fly. Historical upgrade times are like historical stock prices, past results do not guarantee future performance. RAH's 19 mo upgrade will only stay that low if they continue to experience the same level of attrition and growth that they have for the last 2 years. Eagles' upgrade times will drop by 2 years overnight very soon. There were no Eagle new hires between 9/01 and March of 04(?) (Somewhere about that time frame anyway.) Eagle has not grown, and is not likely to in the near term. Attrition is accelerating. Flowbacks are being recalled to AA. Flowthroughs have won arbitration and so will also be going up to AA. The Legacy carriers are hiring Eagle FO's. Point being, today's gap in upgrade times is unlikely to remain. Eagle upgrades will be, if not on par with RAH's, much closer, by the time you get ready to upgrade. Eagle has a minimum of 12 days off for lineholders. Practically speaking, you should hold a line with 14-15 days off in short order. I've never been Jr. Manned, except on a weather day where they couldn't get me home before I timed out. 14:30 max duty day. 10:00 off in base. No trip rigs, but that's not currently an issue - schedules are very productive due to tight staffing. Hotels are middle of the road. Mostly just OK. A few really good, a couple not so hot. No training contract, if you don't like it you can leave. Pass bennies are OK - fees variable by mileage; BOS-DFW is about 15ow Coach, 35 First. Unlimited passes for you, spouse, & dependents. Limited for parents. After 2 years limited buddy passes are available. Medical is standard HMO type, available either on day 1 or after 30 days. 401k matching. Eagle is not a bad place to be right now. Unless you really like to sit in the back of airplanes, and enjoy sharing a room with 14 other guys, I'd pick EGL over a commute. |
Originally Posted by robthree
(Post 227876)
Eagle upgrades will be, if not on par with RAH's, much closer, by the time you get ready to upgrade.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 227957)
I'll put money on the fact that Eagle's upgrades aren't going to look like RAH's anytime soon. Secondly it's easy to get 14-15 days off a month even if junior. I'm currently holding 15 days off. There is no junior manning and yes the upgrade at RAH should hold considering we just lost 33 more guys this month. I'm moving up fast.
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Originally Posted by robthree
(Post 227876)
Living in base makes all the difference in the world.
In ORD you will not sit reserve as soon as there is anybody junior to you. The latest perm bid is calling for 95 ORD ERJ FOs. In other words, Eagle has about 25% fewer FOs in ORD then they need. You will fly, fly, fly. Historical upgrade times are like historical stock prices, past results do not guarantee future performance. RAH's 19 mo upgrade will only stay that low if they continue to experience the same level of attrition and growth that they have for the last 2 years. Eagles' upgrade times will drop by 2 years overnight very soon. There were no Eagle new hires between 9/01 and March of 04(?) (Somewhere about that time frame anyway.) Eagle has not grown, and is not likely to in the near term. Attrition is accelerating. Flowbacks are being recalled to AA. Flowthroughs have won arbitration and so will also be going up to AA. The Legacy carriers are hiring Eagle FO's. Point being, today's gap in upgrade times is unlikely to remain. Eagle upgrades will be, if not on par with RAH's, much closer, by the time you get ready to upgrade. Eagle has a minimum of 12 days off for lineholders. Practically speaking, you should hold a line with 14-15 days off in short order. I've never been Jr. Manned, except on a weather day where they couldn't get me home before I timed out. 14:30 max duty day. 10:00 off in base. No trip rigs, but that's not currently an issue - schedules are very productive due to tight staffing. Hotels are middle of the road. Mostly just OK. A few really good, a couple not so hot. No training contract, if you don't like it you can leave. Pass bennies are OK - fees variable by mileage; BOS-DFW is about 15ow Coach, 35 First. Unlimited passes for you, spouse, & dependents. Limited for parents. After 2 years limited buddy passes are available. Medical is standard HMO type, available either on day 1 or after 30 days. 401k matching. Eagle is not a bad place to be right now. Unless you really like to sit in the back of airplanes, and enjoy sharing a room with 14 other guys, I'd pick EGL over a commute. Ask him to "look online" at his Eagle website and post the most recent seniorty for CPT Upgrades, for this month......It should be around 11/1999! (Someone help me out here, but isn't RAH loosing guys/gals being recalled for the J4J's too?) |
Originally Posted by Lbell911
(Post 227963)
Ask him to "look online" at his Eagle website and post the most recent seniorty for CPT Upgrades, for this month......It should be around 11/1999! (Someone help me out here, but isn't RAH loosing guys/gals being recalled for the J4J's too?)
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 227966)
AE upgrade is 11/99, yes its a long time. RAH has somewhere around 30-50 J4J piots, AE has approx 200 AA flowbacks left to be recalled, and then 400 AE CAs with AA seniority numbers, then 400+ AE CAs who have elected to flowthrough and are awaiting a seniority number. So the potential for 1000+ CAs to leave in the future.
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AA is already short and recalling as fast as possible. AMR has always been reactive to industry trends. Everyone else is hiring and I believe you will see hiring at AA with in the next two years. Just my opinion. I personally interviewed at RAH and Eagle. I found Eagles facilites and operation to be far surperior to RAH again my opinion.
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RAH is has around 80jrj guys that are going. They are also losing about 30 a month to attrition. They are also expanding and trying to get captains as fast as possible. Currently the only limitation is the sim space.
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thanks for all the replies, still does not make the decision any easier, some have mentioned the work rules, is there any place to get info on the work rules for both companies online?
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Take some time and use the search function that's on this site. Spend a few hours browsing and reading others' posts and you will find a wealth of info. If you choose not to use the search function, just browse backwards and read links that feature the companies that you are interested in. I did it and it was worth it.
My quick opinion on your decision- The advantages of living in base are not small and should not be quickly dismissed. I believe Eagle's upgrade will fall since it really couldn't go higher; will it ever fall to less than 4 years for a 2007 hire? I doubt it, but my crystal ball has been recalled due defects. |
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 227959)
I am out of touch with their current fleet plans, but how many more a/c are awaiting delivery for RAH? Assume 5 upgrades per a/c to be delivered, you can get an idea of how many more upgrades due to expansion will be ahead. RAH has had some incredible expansion in the past few years, but I really don't know how long that can continue. There just physically aren't many more airlines they can contract service to.
One other note, this includes the reduction of the 135 that is slated to start next Sept. Where can RAH grow? Try Frontier and CAL. |
Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 228204)
I did a little research and came up with about 42 more aircraft by the end of the 1Q in 2009. All will be 175s. This includes the most recent annoucement with Delta and Untied. I would say 5 CA per plane is a good number, that would make for 210 new CA based on new growth. Forget about attrition. That is a whole other animal. Try at least 18 months of attrition at the rate of 20 per month. That is a healthy 360 pilots going bye-bye.
One other note, this includes the reduction of the 135 that is slated to start next Sept. Where can RAH grow? Try Frontier and CAL. |
I've had a good experience with Republic, and would recommend it. I do have a friend who is at Republic now after leaving Eagle, and she isn't significantly more or less happy (moved over for quicker upgrade).
However, as a former commuter, living in base improved my quality of life 200%. For that reason alone, Eagle would have a leg up in your situation. Here's a suggestion which may or may not work, but it is worth a shot if you'd rather come to Republic. Level with Linda, and tell her you have class date offer from Eagle, but really want to come to Republic. The problem is you want to live in base, and is there anyway you can hold out for a Shuttle class so that you can eventually bid ORD. She may or may not go for it, but you really don't have much to lose. |
I worked at eagle and now im at rah on the chq side. personally i dont care about upgrade that stuff changes so much. Yeah eagle has had excessively high for a while (i trained with an atr upgrade who had been there 8 years) but rah could have an upgrade that long if the shlt hits the fan. Things change so i wouldnt look at that personally. Work rules are slightly in favor of RAH i think. THERE IS JUNIOR MANNING AT EAGLE. It might not happen much now but i gurantee it will start happening. I was junior manned twice while i was at eagle (6 months); both times I got out of it cause I was nowhere near work. RAH does not have junior manning. If you pick up the phone on your day off you say no and its no big deal. At eagle you have to pick it up and unless you have a legitamate reason your working. The only thing that is important would be the living in base. If you can still pick your base then your ok at eagle cause you will get ord. If you cant, i hope you like the tropics cause youll be in san juan before you know it. At RAH you could end up anywhere. If I were you I would try and get a shuttle class date with RAH and then go to ord as soon as you can. If they give you a RW or CHQ class go to eagle as long as you can pick your base. It doesnt hurt to at least interview and RAH is so short on pilots theyll almost kiss your a$$ to get you to go there.
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
(Post 228649)
If you pick up the phone on your day off you say no and its no big deal. At eagle you have to pick it up and unless you have a legitamate reason your working. .
You dont know Jack sh*t about Eagle. |
Originally Posted by rytheflyguy
(Post 228642)
I've had a good experience with Republic, and would recommend it. I do have a friend who is at Republic now after leaving Eagle, and she isn't significantly more or less happy (moved over for quicker upgrade).
However, as a former commuter, living in base improved my quality of life 200%. For that reason alone, Eagle would have a leg up in your situation. Here's a suggestion which may or may not work, but it is worth a shot if you'd rather come to Republic. Level with Linda, and tell her you have class date offer from Eagle, but really want to come to Republic. The problem is you want to live in base, and is there anyway you can hold out for a Shuttle class so that you can eventually bid ORD. She may or may not go for it, but you really don't have much to lose. They are in need for ERJ FO's in ORD. |
At RAH if you can get in the aircraft that serves that base then sooner or later you'll be able to get the base. I don't know anyone who wanted a specific base and wasn't able to hold it within 3 months. You might be on reserve much longer there but you'll be able to get it. Currently anyway. Biggest downfall at RAH is the basing issue. They can pull the plug and shift resources fast. Very few bases feel like they'll stay in the long run. STL, CMH, IND seem to be the big dogs. CMH is their MX hub so while it isn't the biggest if feels the most stable IMHO.
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Provided we don't see a significant change in contracts on the 170 fleets, ATL and PHL will probably be stable for the forseable future.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 228730)
At RAH if you can get in the aircraft that serves that base then sooner or later you'll be able to get the base. I don't know anyone who wanted a specific base and wasn't able to hold it within 3 months. You might be on reserve much longer there but you'll be able to get it. Currently anyway. Biggest downfall at RAH is the basing issue. They can pull the plug and shift resources fast. Very few bases feel like they'll stay in the long run. STL, CMH, IND seem to be the big dogs. CMH is their MX hub so while it isn't the biggest if feels the most stable IMHO.
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Originally Posted by rytheflyguy
(Post 228642)
Level with Linda, and tell her you have class date offer from Eagle, but really want to come to Republic. The problem is you want to live in base, and is there anyway you can hold out for a Shuttle class so that you can eventually bid ORD. She may or may not go for it, but you really don't have much to lose.
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